2:07 marathoner Brian Kipsang.
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Was he banned for trying to cancel an American Airlines flight?
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Used for treating (skin/joint) inflammation. I doubt it gives noticeable performance benefit.
From Wikipedia:
"Triamcinolone acetonide as an intra-articular injectable has been used to treat a variety of musculoskeletal conditions. When applied to the skin as a topical ointment, it is used to mitigate blistering from poison ivy, oak, and sumac."
"Triamcinolone acetonide is a synthetic corticosteroid medication used topically to treat various skin conditions, to relieve the discomfort of mouth sores, and by injection into joints to treat various joint conditions. It is also injected into lesions to treat inflammation in some parts of the body, particularly the skin. "
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Yeah, that's whey Kenyan distance runners keep getting busted for it. Treating their acne is worth the risk of ending their careers. And of course, they wouldn't be cheating with anything else.
Glucocorticoids are commonly used as therapeutic substances in sports, but are prohibited in-competition because, when administered via
prohibited routes, there is clear evidence of systemic effects which could potentially
enhance performance and be harmful to health.WADA.
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Coevett wrote:
Yeah, that's whey Kenyan distance runners keep getting busted for it. Treating their acne is worth the risk of ending their careers. And of course, they wouldn't be cheating with anything else.
Glucocorticoids are commonly used as therapeutic substances in sports, but are prohibited in-competition because, when administered via
prohibited routes, there is clear evidence of systemic effects which could potentially
enhance performance and be harmful to health.WADA.
I am 100% for a clean sport and banning dopers but I don't like that WADA is working on so much uncertainty.
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dhd wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Yeah, that's whey Kenyan distance runners keep getting busted for it. Treating their acne is worth the risk of ending their careers. And of course, they wouldn't be cheating with anything else.
WADA.
I am 100% for a clean sport and banning dopers but I don't like that WADA is working on so much uncertainty.
Nobody would ever serve a ban if all you had to do was provide a bit of doubt as to whether you were using the medication for performance enhancing reasons.
That's something that Rekrunner loves to come up with too.
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trollism wrote:
dhd wrote:
I am 100% for a clean sport and banning dopers but I don't like that WADA is working on so much uncertainty.
Nobody would ever serve a ban if all you had to do was provide a bit of doubt as to whether you were using the medication for performance enhancing reasons.
That's something that Rekrunner loves to come up with too.
Not just me.
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Py579 wrote:
Used for treating (skin/joint) inflammation. I doubt it gives noticeable performance benefit.
From Wikipedia:
"Triamcinolone acetonide as an intra-articular injectable has been used to treat a variety of musculoskeletal conditions. When applied to the skin as a topical ointment, it is used to mitigate blistering from poison ivy, oak, and sumac."
"Triamcinolone acetonide is a synthetic corticosteroid medication used topically to treat various skin conditions, to relieve the discomfort of mouth sores, and by injection into joints to treat various joint conditions. It is also injected into lesions to treat inflammation in some parts of the body, particularly the skin. "
The World Anti-Doping Agency named triamcinolone in its prohibited list in 2014 as it helps athletes lose weight without suffering a significant loss in power
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Coevett wrote:
2:07 marathoner Brian Kipsang.
According to World Athletics, this 30-year old 2:07:56/2:07:58 Kenyan marathon runner would rank about #300 in Kenya all-time (with a top-900 performance), and about #700 in the world, just slipping in the top-1900 performances.
In 2024/2025, he is a top-80 Kenyan (#114 performance) and #238 worldwide (#341 performance).
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rekrunner wrote:
According to World Athletics, this 30-year old 2:07:56/2:07:58 Kenyan marathon runner would rank about #300 in Kenya all-time (with a top-900 performance), and about #700 in the world, just slipping in the top-1900 performances.
In 2024/2025, he is a top-80 Kenyan (#114 performance) and #238 worldwide (#341 performance).
I don't understand the point of this post. What are you trying to say?
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pathfinder wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
According to World Athletics, this 30-year old 2:07:56/2:07:58 Kenyan marathon runner would rank about #300 in Kenya all-time (with a top-900 performance), and about #700 in the world, just slipping in the top-1900 performances.
In 2024/2025, he is a top-80 Kenyan (#114 performance) and #238 worldwide (#341 performance).
I don't understand the point of this post. What are you trying to say?
He's saying that he's a C-level Kenyan so doesn't count as a doper.
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trollism wrote:
pathfinder wrote:
I don't understand the point of this post. What are you trying to say?
He's saying that he's a C-level Kenyan so doesn't count as a doper.
No, he's saying that as a 'C-level' Kenyan who is 30 years old he needs to up his game, SOMEHOW, to make some money while he still can.
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It's really cool how you dehumanize people by just saying "Another Kenyan"
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ukathleticscoach wrote:
Py579 wrote:
Used for treating (skin/joint) inflammation. I doubt it gives noticeable performance benefit.
From Wikipedia:
"Triamcinolone acetonide as an intra-articular injectable has been used to treat a variety of musculoskeletal conditions. When applied to the skin as a topical ointment, it is used to mitigate blistering from poison ivy, oak, and sumac."
"Triamcinolone acetonide is a synthetic corticosteroid medication used topically to treat various skin conditions, to relieve the discomfort of mouth sores, and by injection into joints to treat various joint conditions. It is also injected into lesions to treat inflammation in some parts of the body, particularly the skin. "
The World Anti-Doping Agency named triamcinolone in its prohibited list in 2014 as it helps athletes lose weight without suffering a significant loss in power
Good to know. Thanks.
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pathfinder wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
According to World Athletics, this 30-year old 2:07:56/2:07:58 Kenyan marathon runner would rank about #300 in Kenya all-time (with a top-900 performance), and about #700 in the world, just slipping in the top-1900 performances.
In 2024/2025, he is a top-80 Kenyan (#114 performance) and #238 worldwide (#341 performance).
I don't understand the point of this post. What are you trying to say?
Did you understand what Coevett is trying to say with "2:07 marathoner Brian Kipsang"?
Assuming the "2:07" performance is relevant enough to mention in the OP, then my post adds detail and perspective about his performances.
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Cornpop wrote:
No, he's saying that as a 'C-level' Kenyan who is 30 years old he needs to up his game, SOMEHOW, to make some money while he still can.
It's rekrunner, he doesn't accept that the athlete was doping purposely.
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ukathleticscoach wrote:
The World Anti-Doping Agency named triamcinolone in its prohibited list in 2014 as it helps athletes lose weight without suffering a significant loss in power
I didn't find triamcinolone mentioned explicitly until 2018, but glucocorticoids have been banned in every version of the WADA prohibited list since 2004 (always with exceptions for topical application and therapeutic use).
Lance Armstrong tested positive four times in July 1999 for Triamcinolone Acetonide, but was cleared with a backdated prescription claiming it was for saddlesores.
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trollism wrote:
Cornpop wrote:
No, he's saying that as a 'C-level' Kenyan who is 30 years old he needs to up his game, SOMEHOW, to make some money while he still can.
It's rekrunner, he doesn't accept that the athlete was doping purposely.
I'm not all that interested in whether athletes dope purposely or not -- I'm sure many do, especially a 30-year old athlete looking to "up his game, SOMEHOW".
In cases like these, I'm mostly wondering what the performance potential would be for a healthy marathon runner to take Triamcinolone Acetonide. I could understand if it was an injured runner injecting it locally to reduce inflammation. Note that Triamcinolone Acetonide is permitted out-of-competition, and permitted in-competition when used topically, or for therapeutic purposes.
As you correctly pointed out earlier, my questions about potential performance enhancement are not really connected to bans under the WADA Code -- they are virtually independent questions.
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The denialism that is rampant in this place is that doping in the sport is confined to second-tier Kenyans. It isnt. It's present in all countries at the top of the sport, but some more than others. WADA puts running with bodybuilding, weightlifting and cycling for risk of doping. None of them are clean sports.
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Py579 wrote:
Used for treating (skin/joint) inflammation. I doubt it gives noticeable performance benefit.
From Wikipedia:
"Triamcinolone acetonide as an intra-articular injectable has been used to treat a variety of musculoskeletal conditions. When applied to the skin as a topical ointment, it is used to mitigate blistering from poison ivy, oak, and sumac."
"Triamcinolone acetonide is a synthetic corticosteroid medication used topically to treat various skin conditions, to relieve the discomfort of mouth sores, and by injection into joints to treat various joint conditions. It is also injected into lesions to treat inflammation in some parts of the body, particularly the skin. "
British ex-pro cyclist David Millar on Kenacort (British brand name for triamcinolone):
"Millar argued that Kenacort, a trade name for triamcinolone, was the most potent drug he took and described it as performance-enhancing. “As I said in my book [Racing Through The Dark],” Millar explained, “I took EPO and testosterone patches, and they obviously produce huge differences in your blood and you felt at your top level … Kenacort, though, was the only one you took and three days later you looked different. It’s quite scary because it’s catabolic so it’s eating into you. It felt destructive. It felt powerful.”"This came up when there was a huge blowup when British star Bradly Wiggins was revealed to have used the same.
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