2:38 Jacked and in Jeans…at Boston. Jesus am I missing something. He wants to break 2:30 and I’d say he’ll easily do it.
Paging Derek at Marathon Investigations.
He's probably on the same juice as Nick bare.
I ran with the guy (I finished a bit behind in 2:41) - the guy definitely looked loaded up with the good stuff.
Impressive to do it in jeans, nonetheless
If Haines had run in Hanes he would've been even faster.
The guy definitely has some kind of stack to assist his development. Lots of discussion about it over on the Shoetubers thread.
Hanes for the win wrote:
If Haines had run in Hanes he would've been even faster.
Missed opportunity for sure.
To the GILLS
Hey everybody, look at me because I need the attention.
I'd love for these clowns to get just one random test and then throw them out of road racing for eternity.
Possible Fraud …profiting off a deliberate lie!
He just ran 2:34 in Eugene less than a week later in Jeans again jacked up(please someone call these guys out)
The Bro-Influencer PED Circus Is a Complete Scam
At this point, anyone buying into the “just hard work, clean eating, and grinding” narrative is either hopelessly naive or willingly blind.
Running a PR2:34 marathon six days after another major race in jeans? That’s not “hard work.” That’s possibly pharmaceutical enhancement. These influencers — the Nick Bares of the world and the whole fake “bro” scene — are probably juiced to hell on TRT, peptides, SARMs, and whatever cocktails available.
-Fraud means profiting off a deliberate lie — building businesses, selling coaching, pushing supplements, and pretending it’s all natural.
They posture as relatable, hardworking everymen, but it’s just a questionable marketing scheme.
The worst part? They’re wrecking people’s health and expectations along the way. Making young guys think they’re “lazy” or “undisciplined” because they can’t train themselves into elite hybrid monsters on chicken breasts/eggs and optimism.
If you’re on drugs, fine. Own it. But don’t piss on people’s heads and tell them it’s raining.
You’re not inspirational you’re a liar with a good pharmacy.
As natty as Mike O'Tren.
Weird body type but okay.
Part of me is concerned that this guy and Bare are likely on something. The other part of me is amused by the fact that many self-styled “pure” runners are getting beat and feeling threatened by guys with classic masculine physiques. They have to relive their childhood trauma of always losing in love and popularity to the football and weight room meatheads.
A bigger issue to consider is how are these guys training? Even with possible chemical help, are they doing things smarter and more efficiently than the runners that keep clinging to traditional methods? The drugs would only aid recovery and are not some magic substitute for the work. No stack takes a guy from a 55 VO2 to a 65+ without putting in the miles.
His Dad is a bow hunter and big fan of track. Also jacked. He has a podcast and did an episode with Hocker
Me, me, me wrote:
Hey everybody, look at me because I need the attention.
^^this. Every major marathon has the parade of “look at me” douche bags, dribbling a basketball, wearing a super hero costume, crawling across the finish line in a contrived viral moment, etc. The media takes the bait every time. Usually, there’s a measure of accomplishment, but to a degree much less impressive than what the anonymous OTQ’er is accomplishing.
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I don’t care about them. They should be banned from marathoning. They’re trying to sell stupid crap or a lifestyle to insecure men. Sad.
This guy has the body builder tortoise shell belly. That is the universal tell for doping.
Not even trying wrote:
This guy has the body builder tortoise shell belly. That is the universal tell for doping.
that is usually from growth hormone
There’s nothing revolutionary to learn here. If you hand out TRT, peptides, and growth hormone, a lot of already fit dudes can suddenly look like “training geniuses”. The training isn’t magical it’s amplified by the chemistry.
Recovery improves, resilience to injury goes up… “hybrid athlete” doing things that look mind-blowing to the untrained eye.
You say the drugs don’t magically create elite performance sure, but you’re also downplaying how massive the edge is. Chemical enhancement doesn’t replace the work it makes the work hit harder, faster, and with far fewer setbacks. Guys juiced to the gills don’t have to tiptoe around overtraining….It’s not a “small boost” — it’s transformative.
As for the “pure runners feeling threatened by masculine physiques” This isn’t about body envy. It’s fake, and it’s a massive con job when it’s packaged as “just work harder, bro.”
There’s no secret training wisdom here just chemistry making average training look extraordinary.
Fish or Shark wrote:
They posture as relatable, hardworking everymen, but it’s just a questionable marketing scheme.
The worst part? They’re wrecking people’s health and expectations along the way. Making young guys think they’re “lazy” or “undisciplined” because they can’t train themselves into elite hybrid monsters on chicken breasts/eggs and optimism.
If you’re on drugs, fine. Own it. But don’t piss on people’s heads and tell them it’s raining.
You’re not inspirational you’re a liar with a good pharmacy.
This is why I can't stand the vast majority of fitness influencers. It's all marketed as inspirational and done through hard work but most of these people are basically professional athletes, just with very low performance standards. But even still, they have to dope up to inflate their own achievements to make them "social media worthy." I can just imagine some dude who's in the gym regularly, eating right and refining his programming to get a decent physique and then decides to do a marathon. If you're carrying a good amount of muscle, just finishing a marathon is going to be tough and you're probably not able to balance a lot of mileage with a gym routine and other responsibilities (work, family, etc). But then you open up instagram and see Truett and a host of other guys who are both crazy jacked and rocking sub 3 marathons like it's nothing. Suddenly this guy goes from feeling pretty awesome about his own progress to seeing someone who's more jacked and way faster. To normalize this kind of thing and just casually leave out the pharmaceuticals is pure ego to the detriment of any impressionable follower.
I'll also maintain that any performance by a fitness influencer is basically rendered unimpressive. If you are in a position where exercising is your primary source of income, it is no longer impressive unless you are a real professional athlete. Being fit and improving your performance at a casual level is impressive when you're some working stiff who has to squeeze it in around the regular responsibilities of life. As soon as that doesn't become a factor, it just isn't impressive to be able to hit the gym. It's not impressive anymore that David Goggins can do push-ups all day when it's effectively part of his job on his extended book tour. Same thing for guys like Jocko or Rogan as their job is just to get eyeballs on their projects and perpetuate the Alpha Male brand. I basically said all this on the shoetuber thread but I really hate this because it just reeks of greed and ego, so marketing it as "inspiration" is such load!