Just to put things in perspective, the winning 1500 time in Rio was 23 WHOLE SECONDS SLOWER than last summer in Paris. This is enormous for a 1500. At that level, anything over 5 seconds is a massive differential.
What factors do you think contributed to this? Coastal heat and humidity?
Do you believe centrowitz deserves the same caliber of legacy bragging rights as Cole Hocker?
Just to put things in perspective, the winning 1500 time in Rio was 23 WHOLE SECONDS SLOWER than last summer in Paris. This is enormous for a 1500. At that level, anything over 5 seconds is a massive differential.
What factors do you think contributed to this? Coastal heat and humidity?
Do you believe centrowitz deserves the same caliber of legacy bragging rights as Cole Hocker?
If you need to ask this you are retarded! And the best racer on the day won.
people on here need to chill... - the reason why it was much slower is because it was a tactical race, where the runners go slower for the first few laps then sprint the last lap, essentially all relying on the fact that they are the ones who can kick the best
people on here need to chill... - the reason why it was much slower is because it was a tactical race, where the runners go slower for the first few laps then sprint the last lap, essentially all relying on the fact that they are the ones who can kick the best
And I'll add that Centro was the best racer on the day.
people on here need to chill... - the reason why it was much slower is because it was a tactical race, where the runners go slower for the first few laps then sprint the last lap, essentially all relying on the fact that they are the ones who can kick the best
I've been racing competitively since the 90s and i know the field always goes out at a different pace. Sit and kick races definately add a few seconds, but not 23 worth in a middle distance race. 23 seconds is something you would see in a sit and kick 10k or higher. This tells me that in Rio, there were other factors besides just a sit and kick slow field, such as environmental, wind, heat, etc.
I'll give yall maybe 4 seconds MAX due to super spike innovation, but that's about it. Centro will always have his gold, but he's no 327 guy like hocker. His pr is 330 and that was in perfect conditions.
Just to put things in perspective, the winning 1500 time in Rio was 23 WHOLE SECONDS SLOWER than last summer in Paris. This is enormous for a 1500. At that level, anything over 5 seconds is a massive differential.
What factors do you think contributed to this? Coastal heat and humidity?
Do you believe centrowitz deserves the same caliber of legacy bragging rights as Cole Hocker?
the only factor was Ingebrigsten forcing the pace and positive splitting creating a time trial for everyone else (rabbiting)
Just to put things in perspective, the winning 1500 time in Rio was 23 WHOLE SECONDS SLOWER than last summer in Paris. This is enormous for a 1500. At that level, anything over 5 seconds is a massive differential.
What factors do you think contributed to this? Coastal heat and humidity?
Do you believe centrowitz deserves the same caliber of legacy bragging rights as Cole Hocker?
I think in this case we had 12 men who all fancied their last lap abilities.
I cannot stand this race. There's "tactical" and then there's "ridiculous".
people on here need to chill... - the reason why it was much slower is because it was a tactical race, where the runners go slower for the first few laps then sprint the last lap, essentially all relying on the fact that they are the ones who can kick the best
I've been racing competitively since the 90s and i know the field always goes out at a different pace. Sit and kick races definately add a few seconds, but not 23 worth in a middle distance race. 23 seconds is something you would see in a sit and kick 10k or higher. This tells me that in Rio, there were other factors besides just a sit and kick slow field, such as environmental, wind, heat, etc.
I'll give yall maybe 4 seconds MAX due to super spike innovation, but that's about it. Centro will always have his gold, but he's no 327 guy like hocker. His pr is 330 and that was in perfect conditions.
Do you believe centrowitz deserves the same caliber of legacy bragging rights as Cole Hocker?
As I understand it, their medals are of the same color.
The field in Rio was absolutely first class, with returning World/Oly medalists IIRC. Many in the field seem to have underestimated Centro--dunno why, he was fourth in 2012 and a two-time World medalist--and essentially said, Run it your way. He obliged, doing the hard work of leading most of the way and picking up the pace where he wanted to.
I honestly don't know--I don't really follow The Sport nowadays--can someone remind me of what other major medals Hocker has?
I've been racing competitively since the 90s and i know the field always goes out at a different pace. Sit and kick races definately add a few seconds, but not 23 worth in a middle distance race. 23 seconds is something you would see in a sit and kick 10k or higher. This tells me that in Rio, there were other factors besides just a sit and kick slow field, such as environmental, wind, heat, etc.
I'll give yall maybe 4 seconds MAX due to super spike innovation, but that's about it. Centro will always have his gold, but he's no 327 guy like hocker. His pr is 330 and that was in perfect conditions.
Did you bother to look at the splits?
1:06.8 2:16.6...
vs 54.9 1:51.5 (27!!! seconds ahead at 800m)... Ingebrigsten rabbited for the field and created a tactical time trial for the rest of the runners...
Rio was in hot and humid conditions, so there was no incentive to go from way out, but it was also the logical culmination of a long series of time trial championship races in which there was no truly dominant, front-runner (post-El G), and no one wanted to be the sacrificial lamb. So, you got plenty of 3:35 and slower races. Centro with his tremendous innate racing sense and his dad and Salazar telling him to take the lead but go no faster than he had to, since he had a slower pr than numerous guys in the field, was just not going to go significantly faster than 4:30 mile pace until he had to. So, it was won in 3:50, with a 50s last lap but it could have been won in 4:00 if other guys hadn't started pushing with two laps to go.
The commentator says at the end that Centro ran 8x400 the week before with 7x400 at 51 and the 8th 400 in 49.7, his fastest ever. So, he was very well prepared for this race.
Rio was in hot and humid conditions, so there was no incentive to go from way out, but it was also the logical culmination of a long series of time trial championship races in which there was no truly dominant, front-runner (post-El G), and no one wanted to be the sacrificial lamb. So, you got plenty of 3:35 and slower races. Centro with his tremendous innate racing sense and his dad and Salazar telling him to take the lead but go no faster than he had to, since he had a slower pr than numerous guys in the field, was just not going to go significantly faster than 4:30 mile pace until he had to. So, it was won in 3:50, with a 50s last lap but it could have been won in 4:00 if other guys hadn't started pushing with two laps to go.
Thanks. Good to see a user who knows how to read and answer a simple question. Sadly, it took 15 goofy responses from others to achieve this. Of course, they gave those responses because they simply did not know the answer to the question. Don't you miss the good Ole days of the early 2000s when this site was helpful and served a purpose? I sure do.
This is my favorite race of all time. Blew my mind. Could not believe Centro controlled it from beginning to end and was still able to finish it out his way. Never was anyone so composed.