Lots has been said about the slow times in the 3k/5k group at the first GST.
But this type of tactical, championship-style racing is exactly what Cooper needs to make a US team. Outkicked by Grant in both races but hung with him till the last 25 - 50m.
I think there were a few real winners from the meet, but Cooper was one of them. My estimation of his chances of making the World’s team certainly went up, assuming he only runs the 5k this year.
I agree with the OP and felt the same way watching the meet. The only thing that makes me doubt this conclusion is that the times were so slow. I don't know if "staying close to Grant" means that much in a 14:40 race.
At what (slow) pace does a race not really tell us anything useful about someone's chances?
Lots has been said about the slow times in the 3k/5k group at the first GST.
But this type of tactical, championship-style racing is exactly what Cooper needs to make a US team. Outkicked by Grant in both races but hung with him till the last 25 - 50m.
Also got a nice check.
Even though he didn't win, the fact that he was chasing until the last 25-50m says a lot, and I admire his effort and perseverance.
Teare's performance in the meet was probably the biggest confidence booster in his career thus far. Happy for him.
What about the boost he got when he won the 2022 US National Championship in the 1500? I think that delayed his move up to the 5000m because of how much confidence it gave him.
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Lots has been said about the slow times in the 3k/5k group at the first GST.
But this type of tactical, championship-style racing is exactly what Cooper needs to make a US team. Outkicked by Grant in both races but hung with him till the last 25 - 50m.
Also got a nice check.
Even though he didn't win, the fact that he was chasing until the last 25-50m says a lot, and I admire his effort and perseverance.
I don’t know think his racing was impressive at all. The 5000 was effectively an open 400m and the 3000m was bizarre. His 7:30 and 12:58 are better indicators of his progress towards the USATF.
Even though he didn't win, the fact that he was chasing until the last 25-50m says a lot, and I admire his effort and perseverance.
I don’t know think his racing was impressive at all. The 5000 was effectively an open 400m and the 3000m was bizarre. His 7:30 and 12:58 are better indicators of his progress towards the USATF.
The reason I found his races at Grand Slam to be more of a positive sign for his chance to make the World's team is because he already ran 12:54 last year, so I didn't think his indoor races this year told us anything new - he was already capable of those kind of races last year when he didn't make the team. The Grand Slam races were a positive sign that he can race well in a non-paced race against the kinds of guys he'll need to beat at USAs (like Dylan Jacobs). Of course, I do agree that the fact that the races were so slow means Grand Slam isn't perfect practice for USAs, but it was still interesting to see how Cooper did in this kind of race.
I don’t know think his racing was impressive at all. The 5000 was effectively an open 400m and the 3000m was bizarre. His 7:30 and 12:58 are better indicators of his progress towards the USATF.
The reason I found his races at Grand Slam to be more of a positive sign for his chance to make the World's team is because he already ran 12:54 last year, so I didn't think his indoor races this year told us anything new - he was already capable of those kind of races last year when he didn't make the team. The Grand Slam races were a positive sign that he can race well in a non-paced race against the kinds of guys he'll need to beat at USAs (like Dylan Jacobs). Of course, I do agree that the fact that the races were so slow means Grand Slam isn't perfect practice for USAs, but it was still interesting to see how Cooper did in this kind of race.
If the huge negative split in Centro’s 3:50 is accounted for, it equates to about a 3:36 performance. Fisher’s win was worth about a 14:20. It was a terrible race and a lot of 800/1500m guys could have won it. Hocker would have taken it, and Wanyonyi could have uncorked a 49. It was not a 5000m race.
Lots has been said about the slow times in the 3k/5k group at the first GST.
But this type of tactical, championship-style racing is exactly what Cooper needs to make a US team. Outkicked by Grant in both races but hung with him till the last 25 - 50m.
Guys like Wolfe and Blanks aren’t going to allow a tactical race at the trials. They aren’t scared.
Remember how good Abdi Nur is, too. Nur is only 26, a year older than Teare, and has been making teams for years (2022 3rd, 2023 1st - final 1000m 2:21, 2024 2nd). Let's look at the 2024 trials results again:
1 Grant Fisher 13:08.85 2 Abdihamid Nur 13:09.01 3 Parker Wolfe 13:10.75 4 Graham Blanks 13:12.61
We're all aware of how competitive the 1500 is in the US, but take a look at the 5000. Just look at the list of athletes who you probably wouldn't be surprised to see make a US team in the 5000:
Grant Fisher (obviously)
Abdi Nur (made team 2022, 2023, 2024)
Parker Wolfe (almost made team 2024 - 3rd but didn't have standard)
Graham Blanks (made team 2024 - 4th but had standard)
Cooper Teare (12:54 last year)
Cole Hocker (says he wants to be world-class in the 5000 too, 12:57, pretty good at the 1500m)
Woody Kincaid (made team 2022, 12:51 former AR indoors, consistently makes 10,000m teams)
Sean McGorty (made team 2023)
Woody might be an outside shot given the last few years of US championship 5000s where he's seemed to underperform, but take a look at the US all-time 5000m list and his 10,000m successes and tell me he isn't still a compelling pick. I also debated putting Sam Gilman, Dylan Jacobs on this list too, but they're somewhat less defensible... Heck, even Ahmed Muhumed or Casey Clinger, who ran 27:03 and 27:11 at The Ten, might have a shot. I'm sure I'm forgetting someone.
Can Cooper beat all of these guys except Grant? It wouldn't be a surprising outcome. But I'd say the same about the other guys on the list.
I'm really excited to see what the next Grand Slams have in store though. This year has already been really interesting for distance fans and it's only April.
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If the huge negative split in Centro’s 3:50 is accounted for, it equates to about a 3:36 performance. Fisher’s win was worth about a 14:20. It was a terrible race and a lot of 800/1500m guys could have won it. Hocker would have taken it, and Wanyonyi could have uncorked a 49. It was not a 5000m race.
Perhaps, but I'm sure he would have used different tactics if there was someone who could have uncorked a 49 at the end. Hahah....like really?
Remember how good Abdi Nur is, too. Nur is only 26, a year older than Teare, and has been making teams for years (2022 3rd, 2023 1st - final 1000m 2:21, 2024 2nd). Let's look at the 2024 trials results again:
1 Grant Fisher 13:08.85 2 Abdihamid Nur 13:09.01 3 Parker Wolfe 13:10.75 4 Graham Blanks 13:12.61
We're all aware of how competitive the 1500 is in the US, but take a look at the 5000. Just look at the list of athletes who you probably wouldn't be surprised to see make a US team in the 5000:
Grant Fisher (obviously)
Abdi Nur (made team 2022, 2023, 2024)
Parker Wolfe (almost made team 2024 - 3rd but didn't have standard)
Graham Blanks (made team 2024 - 4th but had standard)
Cooper Teare (12:54 last year)
Cole Hocker (says he wants to be world-class in the 5000 too, 12:57, pretty good at the 1500m)
Woody Kincaid (made team 2022, 12:51 former AR indoors, consistently makes 10,000m teams)
Sean McGorty (made team 2023)
Woody might be an outside shot given the last few years of US championship 5000s where he's seemed to underperform, but take a look at the US all-time 5000m list and his 10,000m successes and tell me he isn't still a compelling pick. I also debated putting Sam Gilman, Dylan Jacobs on this list too, but they're somewhat less defensible... Heck, even Ahmed Muhumed or Casey Clinger, who ran 27:03 and 27:11 at The Ten, might have a shot. I'm sure I'm forgetting someone.
Can Cooper beat all of these guys except Grant? It wouldn't be a surprising outcome. But I'd say the same about the other guys on the list.
I'm really excited to see what the next Grand Slams have in store though. This year has already been really interesting for distance fans and it's only April.
I’d be very concerned that Nur simply hasn’t raced in forever. I’d put his chances above Woody but below everyone on your list. I don’t think he is talented enough to beat out all these guys with a truncated buildup. Also with all due respect to McGorty, he’s behind Gilman/Jacobs for making the 5,000 team.
You did forget Nico Young though. With USAs being 3 days though, it’s possibly that Blanks/Nico don’t double.
Guys like Wolfe and Blanks aren’t going to allow a tactical race at the trials. They aren’t scared.
Is anyone else as impressed with what's going on in North Carolina as I am? Collegiate and Pro?
Things at UNC look good from an outside perspective, but looks can and often are deceiving. Wolfe will absolutely let a tactical race happen at the trials.
If the huge negative split in Centro’s 3:50 is accounted for, it equates to about a 3:36 performance. Fisher’s win was worth about a 14:20. It was a terrible race and a lot of 800/1500m guys could have won it. Hocker would have taken it, and Wanyonyi could have uncorked a 49. It was not a 5000m race.
Perhaps, but I'm sure he would have used different tactics if there was someone who could have uncorked a 49 at the end. Hahah....like really?
The race provided zero stress before the last lap. You don’t believe Wanyonyi could beat Fisher by two seconds? Yeah, if he was in the race it would have been faster and a 2nd place by Cooper more impressive.
Remember how good Abdi Nur is, too. Nur is only 26, a year older than Teare, and has been making teams for years (2022 3rd, 2023 1st - final 1000m 2:21, 2024 2nd). Let's look at the 2024 trials results again:
1 Grant Fisher 13:08.85 2 Abdihamid Nur 13:09.01 3 Parker Wolfe 13:10.75 4 Graham Blanks 13:12.61
We're all aware of how competitive the 1500 is in the US, but take a look at the 5000. Just look at the list of athletes who you probably wouldn't be surprised to see make a US team in the 5000:
Grant Fisher (obviously)
Abdi Nur (made team 2022, 2023, 2024)
Parker Wolfe (almost made team 2024 - 3rd but didn't have standard)
Graham Blanks (made team 2024 - 4th but had standard)
Cooper Teare (12:54 last year)
Cole Hocker (says he wants to be world-class in the 5000 too, 12:57, pretty good at the 1500m)
Woody Kincaid (made team 2022, 12:51 former AR indoors, consistently makes 10,000m teams)
Sean McGorty (made team 2023)
Woody might be an outside shot given the last few years of US championship 5000s where he's seemed to underperform, but take a look at the US all-time 5000m list and his 10,000m successes and tell me he isn't still a compelling pick. I also debated putting Sam Gilman, Dylan Jacobs on this list too, but they're somewhat less defensible... Heck, even Ahmed Muhumed or Casey Clinger, who ran 27:03 and 27:11 at The Ten, might have a shot. I'm sure I'm forgetting someone.
Can Cooper beat all of these guys except Grant? It wouldn't be a surprising outcome. But I'd say the same about the other guys on the list.
I'm really excited to see what the next Grand Slams have in store though. This year has already been really interesting for distance fans and it's only April.
I’d be very concerned that Nur simply hasn’t raced in forever. I’d put his chances above Woody but below everyone on your list. I don’t think he is talented enough to beat out all these guys with a truncated buildup. Also with all due respect to McGorty, he’s behind Gilman/Jacobs for making the 5,000 team.
You did forget Nico Young though. With USAs being 3 days though, it’s possibly that Blanks/Nico don’t double.
I’m a huge Nur fan but his tore his post tib he will need most likely 2 years plus
