It feels a bit early to start putting Hoey into that conversation, so no, I don't think Jakob should be worried.
But you are right that somebody (as Jakob pointed out years ago) is bound to be the "next guy" so maybe?
Hoey's 1500m PR is only 3:33, so I don't really see how he could "out kick" Jakob (or Nuguse or Cole) since those guys genuinely seem to think 3:29 is just a normal pace these days (not fast).
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Of course. He has lost to wightman, kerr, hocker, and nuguse. He can lose to Hoey.
I agree that it is possible for someone to bust out a "perfect race" and steal one off Jakob, but somehow I doubt it is going to be Josh Hoey.
And yes, the guys you mentioned have all beaten Jakob but their records against him are like 2-15 or 1-12 over the years. Not exactly good if we are going by win-loss metrics.
But yes, the level of endurance that the top guys have, running 3:26-3:29 pace every time they race in the Diamond League, shows that they aren't just getting lucky when they do it.
Get back to us when Hoey has run sub-3:30 a couple times.
Considering a tactical 1500m for jakob is like 3:31, no.
Hoey appears to be on an unreal trajectory, at least for this year, who knows what his 1500 ability will be come worlds. And if Jakob actually does switch up his strategy and not front run the final, Hoey’s 800/1k ability could be deadly in a low 3:30’s race.
Considering a tactical 1500m for jakob is like 3:31, no.
Hoey appears to be on an unreal trajectory, at least for this year, who knows what his 1500 ability will be come worlds. And if Jakob actually does switch up his strategy and not front run the final, Hoey’s 800/1k ability could be deadly in a low 3:30’s race.
Hoey appears to be on an unreal trajectory, at least for this year, who knows what his 1500 ability will be come worlds. And if Jakob actually does switch up his strategy and not front run the final, Hoey’s 800/1k ability could be deadly in a low 3:30’s race.
I am not sure Hoey is in 3:27 shape, but he can definitely be dangerous in slower races with no pacers or lights. If him or Kessler line up as Grand Slam challengers they can cause an upset on the already 4 signed athletes.
I am not sure Hoey is in 3:27 shape, but he can definitely be dangerous in slower races with no pacers or lights. If him or Kessler line up as Grand Slam challengers they can cause an upset on the already 4 signed athletes.
Hoey outkicks arop then doubles back and outkicks hocker and Kerr. Drugs certainly do help.
Hoey had to dig deep to beat Grant Fisher in a 1500.
The idea that Jakob would have any trouble with him in a 1500 is laughable.
Since 2000, can someone please list the number of guys - non dopers - who were world class at both 800 and 1500? Ramzi obviously doesn't count.
Wanyonyi might have the potential as he wiped the floor of Kessler in a road mile last year but my point is- most guys aren't world class at the 2 events.
Hoey had to dig deep to beat Grant Fisher in a 1500.
The idea that Jakob would have any trouble with him in a 1500 is laughable.
Since 2000, can someone please list the number of guys - non dopers - who were world class at both 800 and 1500? Ramzi obviously doesn't count.
Wanyonyi might have the potential as he wiped the floor of Kessler in a road mile last year but my point is- most guys aren't world class at the 2 events.
Makhloufi comes to mind, but same category as Ramzi. Kessler himself may count if he improves in the 800 this year (1:42 mid and making the final would be fantastic even if he only gets say 6th).
What would you have said before the Olympics if I predicted Nuguse and Hocker to beat Jakob? You would have said it is laughable. Whst woukd you have said 3 months ago if I predicted Hoey to beat Hoppel and break AR? Laughsble. Hoey is going to beat Hocker and Nuguse this year and he may or may not beat Jakob. But don't be so arrogant to say it is laughable.
this. he ran 1:43 and had to beat some actual specialists to win the indoor nationals 800. vs. 1500 at new balance wightman DNS, hoare hasn't looked any good so far, and then a bunch of good 5k people playing around shorter.
we also all know a lot of this is how does a long season play out.
Hoey appears to be on an unreal trajectory, at least for this year, who knows what his 1500 ability will be come worlds. And if Jakob actually does switch up his strategy and not front run the final, Hoey’s 800/1k ability could be deadly in a low 3:30’s race.
Why is nobody putting Hobbs in this class? He's be right there in the picture every single time, and has beaten the likes of Cheryiot and Mills at just about every turn.
Hoey had to dig deep to beat Grant Fisher in a 1500.
The idea that Jakob would have any trouble with him in a 1500 is laughable.
Since 2000, can someone please list the number of guys - non dopers - who were world class at both 800 and 1500? Ramzi obviously doesn't count.
Wanyonyi might have the potential as he wiped the floor of Kessler in a road mile last year but my point is- most guys aren't world class at the 2 events.
Exactly. It’s not at all given that Hoey would make the US 1500m team (if he tried)