Shelby SNUBBED because she Doped

Because I want sport, all sport, to be fair and clean. I don't want doping in baseball or football or track, I don't want illegal modifications in auto or bicycle racing, and I don't even want grey area see what I can get away with stuff.

All sport should be clean and once anyone is caught cheating I want them permanently out. No second chance. I don't cheat at work and neither should anyone else.

Cheating isn't even the worse thing she did, getting those tattoos are even worse.

Clean slate, her 4 year ban is over.

No, worst is your poor use of the words "worse" and "are".

Unreadable writing.

Almost nothing that happens in sports impact our daily lives and when they do it's something like TV and streaming blackout restrictions for local professional teams, ticket prices, maybe the occasional levelling of a city after its team wins championship.

Mostly those of us who follow a sport want to be confident that what we're seeing is genuine, that people getting the acclaim and compensation for being great at a sport really are that great and are not taking that acclaim away from athletes who really deserve it. If Barry Bonds is going to be recognized as a better home run hitter than Hank Aaron was we want to believe that it's Bonds who is better, not Bonds and some pharmacists.

Would you be okay knowing that someone qualified for the Olympic Trials Marathon by finding a way to cut a course and get away with it? None of our lives would be impacted if that happened, not even other aspiring qualifiers. That would also be true for someone who drugged his way into the Trials. You claim that you aren't saying we should be okay with cheating but really you pretty much are.

But cycling viewership didn't go up when Armstrong was banned for doping, it went up (in the US) when he was winning (while formally competing clean lol).

The TdF lost quite some popularity after their 1998 doping scandal - which is why UCI didn't DQ Armstrong when he tested positive during the 1998 TdF. Germany's interest dropped hugely when their holy Team Telekom had to admit to doping too, supported by the Freiburg university hospital.

I think lots of the more naive fans were shocked when a top American distance runner was caught doping. Sprinters, sure, Russian/Kenyan/Italian/..., sure, but this combo was quite rare. Of course with the AW/NOP/BTC history, it didn't surprise any insider, but that's a different story.

Because people love to hate that’s why and have nothing better to do but cry online

Yes

She served her time, now she is allowed to compete.

She will never be free from judgement however. The public and her fellow competitors are each allowed to hold their own opinion of her. Some believe that certain substances, once used, provide a benefit that continues way past the time it was used. Steroids are somewhat in that category especially if the athlete using them stayed in top form and continued training through their ban. Muscle development, healing, and lean muscle mass is all easier to maintain once it's attained. Some will judge her in that regard. Others will judge her because she won races and titles and didn't have to relinquish them. Others may say that they will not forgive her until she comes clean and publicly acknowledges her misdeeds and repents. ...The public loves redemption stories but she doesn't seem the type that can acknowledge her human flaws.

But she hasn't and now doesn't need to. She's free to compete again regardless of what any of us, her competitors, or certain publications think.

Whether something effects you directly or not doesn't change whether it's right or wrong.

The entire criminal justice system would fall to pieces, if that were the case.

Cheating other honest, hardworking athletes out of an opportunity, financial reward, success, their dreams etc. does effect me, however, because I'm a civilized human being with a sense of right and wrong.

To see someone cut corners in a sport where I've struggled and fought to get the best out of myself for more than a decade, just utterly repulses me. I know how difficult and cruel this sport can be, and someone who dopes is essentially just spitting in the face of everyone who goes about it the right way. It's the ultimate display of disrespect. A demonstration that other people's time, effort and lives aren't worth pissing on.

We need life time bans, because if you show that you hold the sport and others in such contempt, you shouldn't be invited back.

Exactly. A positive test should be a lifetime ban, all their times should be invalidated, and all their medals should be reassigned. None of this BS like Kiprop still holding the gold medal from 2008 despite failing a test a decade later.

Not all of us cheered for Lance

This all has happened for a long, long time. Athletes coming back after bans and doing well. I heard lots of cheering when L. Merritt won an Olympic Medal after his ban. Same for Butch Reynolds and Justin Gattlin. T. Gay too, he almost got a medal in the 2016 Olympics--but, a baton DQ took them out of 3rd.

So, Shelby is just another athlete that did her time. At least Track and Field has real penalties for their Doping. Results are taken away. Bonds, Sosa, Arod, NFL, NBA nothing is taken away on results. Just some money.

I was a big fan of the TDF, including during the 7 years Armstrong won, but I haven’t followed it at all, since he was busted.

I was an MLB be fan before and after Bonds, Sosa and McGuire, but the circumstantial evidence is so overwhelming it’s made the season and career records meaningless. They permanently damaged MLB.

Shelby just focus on your training. You can totally beat Nikki if you just focus on running and not what the bottom dwellers on LRC think.

What I want to know is how many people on this forum have written positively about Armstrong and negatively about Shelby? I know that Venn diagram overlaps. I feel like this is close to the OP question.

Personally, I think both deserved the ire they got...but I also think a 4 year ban is a reasonable punishment for Shelby. fwiw, she is probably the person least likely to get popped in the next few years for doping. No doubt she will get lots of testing now.

Ummm, you'd think so maybe, but USADA hasn't tested her at all between October 2024 and January 2025. I guess they don't want to know...