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1 year ago 02/12/2025 7:42pm EST

I mean.

He ducked Nuguse in the mile, both of their signature event (with both of them being medalists in the last Olympics).

You would think fans might expect to see the nation's best in a given event actually racing one another at one of the highest profile meets of the indoor season. Nuguse was there for it. Kessler was there for it. But not Hocker.

As the reigning Olympic champion in the 1500, he ducked guys who finished behind him at the Olympics, even he must have anticipated (as anyone could) that they would be chasing the WR in a little event called the MILLROSE GAMES WANAMKER MILE.

Instead of racing his best event at the biggest meet of his indoor season, he raced a much lower profile event, an off distance for him, taking on a much stronger distance runner. (5000 PBs: Fisher 12:46 vs Hocker 12:58.)

Predictably, he took an L, and the coverage following the event was (appropriately) all about the winner's WR.

He then watched from the sidelines while his his miler rivals SMOKED his best time (indoors or outdoors) and the world record in the flagship event of the whole meet. Guys he has beaten repeatedly.

AND WHAT ABOUT THE SPORT?

THOUGHTS?

1 year ago 02/12/2025 7:50pm EST

re: questions for the agent

questions for the agent wrote:
I mean.
He ducked Nuguse in the mile, both of their signature event (with both of them being medalists in the last Olympics).
You would think fans might expect to see the nation's best in a given event actually racing one another at one of the highest profile meets of the indoor season. Nuguse was there for it. Kessler was there for it. But not Hocker.
As the reigning Olympic champion in the 1500, he ducked guys who finished behind him at the Olympics, even he must have anticipated (as anyone could) that they would be chasing the WR in a little event called the MILLROSE GAMES WANAMKER MILE.
Instead of racing his best event at the biggest meet of his indoor season, he raced a much lower profile event, an off distance for him, taking on a much stronger distance runner. (5000 PBs: Fisher 12:46 vs Hocker 12:58.)
Predictably, he took an L, and the coverage following the event was (appropriately) all about the winner's WR.
He then watched from the sidelines while his his miler rivals SMOKED his best time (indoors or outdoors) and the world record in the flagship event of the whole meet. Guys he has beaten repeatedly.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE SPORT?
THOUGHTS?

And then he started crying too, 🤣🤣🤭

1 year ago 02/12/2025 7:50pm EST

re: questions for the agent

Hocker SUCKS!

I mean, that race! he SUCKED!

What a SUCKFEST!

1 year ago 02/12/2025 7:50pm EST

re: questions for the agent

questions for the agent wrote:
I mean.
He ducked Nuguse in the mile, both of their signature event (with both of them being medalists in the last Olympics).
You would think fans might expect to see the nation's best in a given event actually racing one another at one of the highest profile meets of the indoor season. Nuguse was there for it. Kessler was there for it. But not Hocker.
As the reigning Olympic champion in the 1500, he ducked guys who finished behind him at the Olympics, even he must have anticipated (as anyone could) that they would be chasing the WR in a little event called the MILLROSE GAMES WANAMKER MILE.
Instead of racing his best event at the biggest meet of his indoor season, he raced a much lower profile event, an off distance for him, taking on a much stronger distance runner. (5000 PBs: Fisher 12:46 vs Hocker 12:58.)
Predictably, he took an L, and the coverage following the event was (appropriately) all about the winner's WR.
He then watched from the sidelines while his his miler rivals SMOKED his best time (indoors or outdoors) and the world record in the flagship event of the whole meet. Guys he has beaten repeatedly.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE SPORT?
THOUGHTS?

He ran the 2 mile last year.
He ran the 3k this year.

His winter plan is consistent.

1 year ago 02/12/2025 7:52pm EST

re: Compl

Compl wrote:
He ran the 2 mile last year.
He ran the 3k this year.
His winter plan is consistent.

it consistently SUCKS!!!

1 year ago 02/12/2025 7:53pm EST

re: Hicker Bun

Hicker Bun wrote:
And then he started crying too, 🤣🤣🤭

After the 3000, or later after the mile?

Or BOTH?

1 year ago 02/12/2025 7:54pm EST

re: totally

totally wrote:
Compl wrote:
He ran the 2 mile last year.
He ran the 3k this year.
His winter plan is consistent.
it consistently SUCKS!!!

(Consistently DUCKING.)

1 year ago 02/12/2025 8:06pm EST

re: questions for the agent

It’s the circle of life. When Centro was the champ everyone loved the sushing Hocker. Now Hocker is the champ and everyone loves the grinning Goose

1 year ago 02/12/2025 8:07pm EST

re: questions for the agent

He raced americas other best distance runner in an event they both had a chance of winning and they both broke the world record. Pretty much the farthest from “a wash” that you can be

1 year ago 02/12/2025 8:49pm EST

re: totally

Lol. He beat Nuguse at the trials, beat him in Paris after being blocked. Hocker isn’t ducking anyone. Just his usual over-distance run indoors. The only runner ducking competition so far this year is Kerr, as usual.

1 year ago 02/12/2025 9:05pm EST

re: questions for the agent

questions for the agent wrote:
I mean.
He ducked Nuguse in the mile, both of their signature event (with both of them being medalists in the last Olympics).
You would think fans might expect to see the nation's best in a given event actually racing one another at one of the highest profile meets of the indoor season. Nuguse was there for it. Kessler was there for it. But not Hocker.
As the reigning Olympic champion in the 1500, he ducked guys who finished behind him at the Olympics, even he must have anticipated (as anyone could) that they would be chasing the WR in a little event called the MILLROSE GAMES WANAMKER MILE.
Instead of racing his best event at the biggest meet of his indoor season, he raced a much lower profile event, an off distance for him, taking on a much stronger distance runner. (5000 PBs: Fisher 12:46 vs Hocker 12:58.)
Predictably, he took an L, and the coverage following the event was (appropriately) all about the winner's WR.
He then watched from the sidelines while his his miler rivals SMOKED his best time (indoors or outdoors) and the world record in the flagship event of the whole meet. Guys he has beaten repeatedly.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE SPORT?
THOUGHTS?

Such a bad take

1 year ago 02/12/2025 10:29pm EST

re: Duck Duck Kerr

Duck Duck Kerr wrote:
The only runner ducking competition so far this year is Kerr, as usual.

This scenario happens so often that I’ve become numb to it.

1 year ago 02/12/2025 10:31pm EST

re: questions for the agent

questions for the agent wrote:
I mean.
He ducked Nuguse in the mile, both of their signature event (with both of them being medalists in the last Olympics).
You would think fans might expect to see the nation's best in a given event actually racing one another at one of the highest profile meets of the indoor season. Nuguse was there for it. Kessler was there for it. But not Hocker.
As the reigning Olympic champion in the 1500, he ducked guys who finished behind him at the Olympics, even he must have anticipated (as anyone could) that they would be chasing the WR in a little event called the MILLROSE GAMES WANAMKER MILE.
Instead of racing his best event at the biggest meet of his indoor season, he raced a much lower profile event, an off distance for him, taking on a much stronger distance runner. (5000 PBs: Fisher 12:46 vs Hocker 12:58.)
Predictably, he took an L, and the coverage following the event was (appropriately) all about the winner's WR.
He then watched from the sidelines while his his miler rivals SMOKED his best time (indoors or outdoors) and the world record in the flagship event of the whole meet. Guys he has beaten repeatedly.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE SPORT?
THOUGHTS?

It's hard to take this forum seriously sometimes

1 year ago 02/13/2025 12:44pm EST

re: Duck Duck Kerr

Duck Duck Kerr wrote:
Lol. He beat Nuguse at the trials, beat him in Paris after being blocked. Hocker isn’t ducking anyone. Just his usual over-distance run indoors. The only runner ducking competition so far this year is Kerr, as usual.

So you are saying that Hocker raced Olympic Trials, and the Olympics.

WOW. WHAT AN INSIGHT.

Listen.

He chose not to race his stiffest competition in his best race, at the highest profile meet he'll be running this spring. (Because you and I already know he'll DUCK World Indoor, don't we?)

That is the definition of ducking.

1 year ago 02/13/2025 12:48pm EST

re: Bait thread getting replies

Bait thread getting replies wrote:
He raced americas other best distance runner in an event they both had a chance of winning and they both broke the world record. Pretty much the farthest from “a wash” that you can be

Grant Fisher was actually in the mainstream news for his WR. (Hocker did not break a world record, Fisher did.)

Yared Nuguse was definitely in the news.

Hocker? At the biggest indoor meet in the US, the most successful US distance runner of Paris 2024 didn't do enough to get a mention outside of track nerd circles. Due to his failure to lace em up and race his best event, with the country's best in the event.

Even he would say he was washed at Millrose. (If you disagree, you don't know the meaning of COMPETITION and WINNING.) They were running victory laps while he was literally CRYING.

1 year ago 02/13/2025 1:00pm EST

re: questions for the agent

I know you are joking/trolling, but I'll answer anyway.

Hocker was one of the biggest winners of the meet, obviously, so the direct answer to your question is no.

Nobody in our sport thinks of indoor racing in February as the peak of the season, so winning or not winning does not make or break anything.

Obviously, running "up" a distance is gutsy, not "ducking" Nuguse.

Going under the old world record is a huge proof of concept. He can hang with, take the lead, and race at double his real distance. He asked a hard question and got a great answer.

Taking the lead with 600m to go is proof that he is not just a sit-and-kick athlete. He needed to learn how and when to make those kind of long drives (like Kerr at last year's Pre meet against Jakob). Going from 600m might be be his best option, but it is nice to have given it a try.

Sacrificing the win to learn all this stuff was worth it because it is indoor, not the World Champs.

1 year ago 02/13/2025 1:03pm EST

re: questions for the agent

questions for the agent wrote:
Even he would say he was washed at Millrose. (If you disagree, you don't know the meaning of COMPETITION and WINNING.) They were running victory laps while he was literally CRYING.

"Washed" means past the peak of your career --- washed up.

You are using that word wrong if you write things like "He was washed last week but hopefully he'll do better in the Summer."

When you are "washed" you can't become unwashed because it comes from the phrase "washed up."

1 year ago 02/13/2025 1:07pm EST

re: Duck Duck Kerr

Duck Duck Kerr wrote:
Lol. He beat Nuguse at the trials, beat him in Paris after being blocked. Hocker isn’t ducking anyone. Just his usual over-distance run indoors. The only runner ducking competition so far this year is Kerr, as usual.

I agree that he is not a ducker. I have seen him race a lot, he is not overly picky about jumping races where he is likely to get beat. That is a good sign. He is testing himself.

With his sub-13 PR in the 5000m, he needs to know how to race longer distances, so it is good that he is learning it in low-stakes meets and indoor races.

p.s. I agree about Kerr not racing where he needs to race. But I do give him a pass for last week because he was literally throwing up sick. That is not something that you can race through. Could he have finished? Sure. Would it have been worth it for him or us (as fans)? No. I don't need to see a sick dude run a 3:58.

1 year ago 02/13/2025 1:10pm EST

re: questions for the agent

"My PR in the 1500 is 3:27 and my PR in the 3K is 7:23"

Let me tell you about your BAD choices.......

1 year ago 02/13/2025 1:17pm EST

re: questions for the agent

questions for the agent wrote:
Duck Duck Kerr wrote:
Lol. He beat Nuguse at the trials, beat him in Paris after being blocked. Hocker isn’t ducking anyone. Just his usual over-distance run indoors. The only runner ducking competition so far this year is Kerr, as usual.
So you are saying that Hocker raced Olympic Trials, and the Olympics.
WOW. WHAT AN INSIGHT.
Listen.
He chose not to race his stiffest competition in his best race, at the highest profile meet he'll be running this spring. (Because you and I already know he'll DUCK World Indoor, don't we?)
That is the definition of ducking.

I dunno pal, if I was on the docket for running 4 x 1500m races and 4 x 800m races over the course of the next 4 months and then having to go through US Trials, a few DL races and then the Worlds in the middle of September, I might want to do a little bit of racing at distances that I don't usually run as well.

By the time of the world final it's conceivable he will have run 10-12 1500m/mile races this season (4 x GST, Pre, Heat-final at US Trials, Heat-Semi-Final in Tokyo + 2 DL races (and maybe more). To be honest I'm even surprised that these guys running Grand Slam Track (Nuguse, Fisher included) are even f-ing around running indoors to begin with.

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