Shotput and polevault will let 4 people get a bye into the final and add a preliminary round. They were going to do this for the steeple but backtracked.
I'll let some field eventers comment on the field events but I am really strongly against byes in the running events. This is a national championship and every athlete should be treated the same.
Plus athletes need to learn how to run rounds. America has had amazing success in the steeple of late.
Shotput and polevault will let 4 people get a bye into the final and add a preliminary round. They were going to do this for the steeple but backtracked.
I'll let some field eventers comment on the field events but I am really strongly against byes in the running events. This is a national championship and every athlete should be treated the same.
Plus athletes need to learn how to run rounds. America has had amazing success in the steeple of late.
Please don't try to regulate the decisions of private organizations as this is the problem with the radical left and big government as the free market should be able to make decisions for themselves
Byes are fine. It doesn't happen to distance runners because American distance runners rarely win gold. Sprinters still bring home a lot of hardware for USA.
Many many top athletes from other countries do not even have nationals and they still do very well.
I very much like the idea of "rewarding top performers from the regular season." One of the current problems of our sport is that the only meets that are taken seriously are the World Championships and the Olympics. From this fan's point of view, anything that increases the importance of other events on the schedule is definitely a good thing.
I'm against the byes. I'm not sure if a bye in the shot put is even a big enough incentive to go try to win a particular usatf meet for a thrower. In the pole vault I think the two rounds and a potentially large final round best simulates the world champs format and is best for selecting our team.
Shotput and polevault will let 4 people get a bye into the final and add a preliminary round. They were going to do this for the steeple but backtracked.
I'll let some field eventers comment on the field events but I am really strongly against byes in the running events. This is a national championship and every athlete should be treated the same.
Plus athletes need to learn how to run rounds. America has had amazing success in the steeple of late.
How do you "learn" to run rounds? Is there a book? A class? The only reason to run rounds is for athletes to self-select themselves for the finals. Giving byes just isn't fair. What is this rule going to be called, the "Mu Rule."? Mu didn't advance by her failure. Did anyone really miss her in Paris? Hell no.
I think it is probably okay for field events, but it would be very unfair in track events. For example in 3000SC, those with bye would have significant advantage over those who had to run in the heats. It will result in less surprising winners/top3 finishers and that is not a good thing for sport in my opinion.
Shotput and polevault will let 4 people get a bye into the final and add a preliminary round. They were going to do this for the steeple but backtracked.
I'll let some field eventers comment on the field events but I am really strongly against byes in the running events. This is a national championship and every athlete should be treated the same.
Plus athletes need to learn how to run rounds. America has had amazing success in the steeple of late.
How do you "learn" to run rounds? Is there a book? A class? The only reason to run rounds is for athletes to self-select themselves for the finals. Giving byes just isn't fair. What is this rule going to be called, the "Mu Rule."? Mu didn't advance by her failure. Did anyone really miss her in Paris? Hell no.
How about "Athletes need experience in (or will benefit from) running rounds.
Shotput and polevault will let 4 people get a bye into the final and add a preliminary round. They were going to do this for the steeple but backtracked.
I'll let some field eventers comment on the field events but I am really strongly against byes in the running events. This is a national championship and every athlete should be treated the same.
Plus athletes need to learn how to run rounds. America has had amazing success in the steeple of late.
How do you "learn" to run rounds? Is there a book? A class? The only reason to run rounds is for athletes to self-select themselves for the finals. Giving byes just isn't fair. What is this rule going to be called, the "Mu Rule."? Mu didn't advance by her failure. Did anyone really miss her in Paris? Hell no.
Did you read the article? Has nothing to do with Mu.
IMO instead of using byes they should just cut the field size. Why add a prelim to cut a shot or pv field of 17 to 12 when there are like 5 people with any shot of making the team.
Shotput and polevault will let 4 people get a bye into the final and add a preliminary round. They were going to do this for the steeple but backtracked.
I'll let some field eventers comment on the field events but I am really strongly against byes in the running events. This is a national championship and every athlete should be treated the same.
Plus athletes need to learn how to run rounds. America has had amazing success in the steeple of late.
How do you "learn" to run rounds? Is there a book? A class? The only reason to run rounds is for athletes to self-select themselves for the finals. Giving byes just isn't fair. What is this rule going to be called, the "Mu Rule."? Mu didn't advance by her failure. Did anyone really miss her in Paris? Hell no.
What does this rule has to do with Mu? She would not have been eligible for a bye last year based on the new criteria so what are you rambling about?
How do you "learn" to run rounds? Is there a book? A class? The only reason to run rounds is for athletes to self-select themselves for the finals. Giving byes just isn't fair. What is this rule going to be called, the "Mu Rule."? Mu didn't advance by her failure. Did anyone really miss her in Paris? Hell no.
What does this rule has to do with Mu? She would not have been eligible for a bye last year based on the new criteria so what are you rambling about?
to me this is obnoxious because "the best few" get a break when the meet is supposed to be deciding "who the best are."
as a sprinter, the more defensible approach is the opposite. think olympic 100m or your average indoor college meet at 60m. x number athletes straight through to the heats. a lot, not a few. then y number compete in qualifiers, before the heats start, to make the heats. everyone in heats does the same number rounds and advances the same way. we just carve out some room where the last athletes allowed in the meet compete to even make the big show.
think, NCAA play-in games for march madness.
all due respect to the "mu" nitpickers but the basic idea is going to be to protect the name brands from losing in the first round when they trip or NH without making the final in field, something that does happen periodically in PJ. wrong poles, can't figure out where to put the standards, woke up wrong.
last point, but this is already a "qualifying mark" honor event. everyone there earned it already. i can get saying, 20 of you are through but the last 8 qualify. that's reducing the finals field back down without favoring any of the obvious medal/trials threats.
you put 12 through you aren't picking winners. you put just 4 through, you are starting to.
i also feel like, while making prelim field people get a mark past a point is sometimes a one-go formality, it is not 100% so, and it puts them through the motions of proving they belong in the field, even if they do it easier.
personally, i want everyone runs the same course, so to speak. you want to win, you run the same number heats i do and do it better.
failing that, do it like the sprints like i said. the last few who barely made the field compete for a proper finals spot. the vast majority rest.
also, re SP, why do we need a ryan crouser rule? dude could show up with a blood clot and he'll be 1 and done in qualifying. he doesn't need more help.
in theory where randomness shows up is PJ/decathlon PJ, where about every cycle someone big NH or blows up early, or makes it then gets covid. but to me that's almost part of the game.
last comment, there are far more people at worlds/oly. to me US trials heats can be almost farcical they have so few competing. what was the sprint where like almost everyone went through? i think they could easily add, to fill out the fields normally, without needing cuteness. i think they're getting cute because someone who wanted to protect the stars made expanding that the price of adding qualifiers. if you can stand a few more so the heats actually cut someone, we don't need the "cute."
"In previous US championships (outside of Olympic Trials years), the shot put and pole vault had been staged as straight finals with large fields. As a result, athletes would have to wait a significant amount of time between attempts early in the competition."
Five Alive solved this problem for the pole vault ... but for some ridiculous reason the NCAA banned it from use a couple years ago. Not sure if they still use it at USATFs or not.
The most important part of the article in my opinion is this:
USATF held a webinar on Monday to explain the program to athletes and coaches and so far, the reception among shot put/pole vault athletes and coaches has been largely positive.
If the field event athletes and their coaches are in support of the proposal, then so am I.
Byes are stupid - just on the grounds of injuries - people can qualify for the bye then get hurt. So you are going to have someone in the finals who can't throw or run and taking that away from someone healthy on the day.
The steeple 100% shouldn't have a bye because the advantage of getting a bye is so high.
If they want smaller fields just make the standard higher - like worlds, Olympics, and indoor worlds in particular have done.