And wouldn't this fix the wages in this country? I lean economically left, but the more i think about this the better i think this could turn out for the lower class as the fat cats can't just exploit illegals for low wages anymore.
And wouldn't this fix the wages in this country? I lean economically left, but the more i think about this the better i think this could turn out for the lower class as the fat cats can't just exploit illegals for low wages anymore.
I lean to the right and I agree with you. No more cheap exploited labor driving down wages. And we should drastically reduce funding for unemployment, as greater opportunity to work would exist. With the availability of more jobs and higher wages, anyone choosing not to work doesn't deserve handouts
Absolutely not, looking at this from even the most basic principals of economics being the Production Possibility Curve. If you take away the supposed 20+ million migrants Trump speaks of we don't have near enough people to fill that void, absolutely killing our ability to produce good in the U.S. Not only that, but we are talking jobs we brought migrants in for because Americans did not want to do in the first place. Jobs in the meat packing industry, agriculture, construction, etc. Eventually, this results in farms, factories, and others being unable to keep shelfs filled at stores due to lack of workers. So no, it's not as black and white as your shower thought makes it seem.
Not how it works, look at sectors like business, education, healthcare. Almost every sector in the U.S. is reporting job shortages yet the wages have remained stagnant. Is this cause workers don't know their worth? No, it's because the rich have simply refused to take pay-cuts themselves and adjust wages for their workers.
Yes they are exploited by the business pigs. Some under the table stuff going on too, which makes the owners more money. They are not bound to the labor regulations or workers' rights, always non union. Labor board is just there for show, not enforcement. The owners use immigrant workers to deceptively prop themselves up as social justice warriors too. Modern day slave trade, really.
You need some unemployment in a healthy economy, there is a sweet spot of 4%-6%. If it gets lower then there is too much demand for workers and salaries go up more than they should and there is inflation. Lower paying jobs are pretty much all of illegal immigrant jobs, so you'd have to fill those. The only way they'd be filled is by raising the pay for those jobs. Whatever those jobs do (typically in agriculture, construction) the costs will then go up to pay the higher rates. So food and new construction projects go up.
Yes they are exploited by the business pigs. Some under the table stuff going on too, which makes the owners more money. They are not bound to the labor regulations or workers' rights, always non union. Labor board is just there for show, not enforcement. The owners use immigrant workers to deceptively prop themselves up as social justice warriors too. Modern day slave trade, really.
How many of these business pigs that employ illegal immigrants has Trump arrested?
An economy is a little more complex than that. And the U.S. economy would crash if all "illegals" were deported...likely resulting in a great deal more unemployment.
A model by the independent Peterson Institute for International Economics shows prices would rise by about 9%, while U.S. production and employment would fall.
And wouldn't this fix the wages in this country? I lean economically left, but the more i think about this the better i think this could turn out for the lower class as the fat cats can't just exploit illegals for low wages anymore.
I lean to the right and I agree with you. No more cheap exploited labor driving down wages. And we should drastically reduce funding for unemployment, as greater opportunity to work would exist. With the availability of more jobs and higher wages, anyone choosing not to work doesn't deserve handouts
Greatest benefactor of illegals' cheap labor are democrats. Rich democrats. Starts from people like Barbara Streisand. She had the audacity to classify her servant/gardener as a manager or something like that to get PPP loan to pay them. On my block, I know all the neighbors who are republicans. Even an old man nearing 90 mows his own lawn. All the lazy democrats hire Joe's illegal amigos to do their dirty work.
Well no. Of course there are exploited migrants and that's a problem but rounding them up and sending them to Guantanamo is probably not a solution that's going to benefit them.
Why does your logic only work for migrants? If you just think as them as people, how would having less people mean a better economy for workers? Do places with declining populations do well economically?
The fundamental problem with highly-restricted immigration is that money, business and capital will always be able to move across borders to find new markets, while workers and labor are prevented from doing so.
If we successfully deport all illegals would this essentially make unemployment nonexistent?
No. We'd just have nobody filling those positions. So many businesses would be understaffed. You can't hire your way out of a worker shortage if the job and wages you are offering suck.
The majority of jobs that are getting done by illegal aliens are jobs that you would not want your kids to do: cleaning crappy hotels 11pm-8am, processing raw meat in an unregulated chicken culling facility, working a double shift at Arby's in Little Rock.
If a million of those horrible jobs suddenly came open (at minimum wage), I don't think any of the fented out, mentally ill, homeless white people in Seattle would be moving to Arkansas to take those jobs.
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I lean to the right and I agree with you. No more cheap exploited labor driving down wages. And we should drastically reduce funding for unemployment, as greater opportunity to work would exist. With the availability of more jobs and higher wages, anyone choosing not to work doesn't deserve handouts
Greatest benefactor of illegals' cheap labor are democrats. Rich democrats. Starts from people like Barbara Streisand. She had the audacity to classify her servant/gardener as a manager or something like that to get PPP loan to pay them. On my block, I know all the neighbors who are republicans. Even an old man nearing 90 mows his own lawn. All the lazy democrats hire Joe's illegal amigos to do their dirty work.
That's because all your neighbors are unemployed poor people (e.g., Republicans) who have time to mow their own lawn but no money to pay somebody to do it for them.
If we successfully deport all illegals would this essentially make unemployment nonexistent?
If a million of those horrible jobs suddenly came open (at minimum wage), I don't think any of the fented out, mentally ill, homeless white people in Seattle would be moving to Arkansas to take those jobs.
And wouldn't this fix the wages in this country? I lean economically left, but the more i think about this the better i think this could turn out for the lower class as the fat cats can't just exploit illegals for low wages anymore.
No.
But it would put a lot of farmers out of business and raise food prices to the point where even if we had 100% employment no one could afford to work.
Deporting all illegal aliens would increase unemployment.
Farms would cease to exist if they had no farm workers. The farmers and their families would be headed to the unemployment office.
The Manager of the meat packing plant would be unemployed if the plant did not have enough illegals to work.
Your local contractor who installs flooring or drywall or cuts your trees will be unable to do any of that work without help from illegals and would soon join the ranks of the unemployed.
Supermarkets that hire illegals to clean bathrooms will shut down due to unsanitary conditions. Even the produce section of the SuperMarket may shut down because there is no one to harvest the produce
A few thousand have been deported so far. At this rate it would take 100 years to get rid of illegals. ICE is not making a dent at all. Its a fake show, a publicity stunt. Homan isn't any good.
And wouldn't this fix the wages in this country? I lean economically left, but the more i think about this the better i think this could turn out for the lower class as the fat cats can't just exploit illegals for low wages anymore.
I agree with others -- it would have the opposite effect.
Many businesses which rely on temporary migrant workers would go bankrupt. Not only are Americans not doing those jobs, some of the jobs migrants are doing will no longer be available.
Furthermore, big business is pretty good at moving the jobs where the cheap labor is, rather than raising wages where the jobs were. If cheap labor is leaving America, so are some of these jobs.
I guess South Dakota and Iowa will have to draft their underachieving White 12 to 17 year olds; to now work in their meatpacking plants!
You say this as though it's a bad thing. Those underachieving kids will either have a job that provides a living that they otherwise would not have had. Or, perhaps they will see how tough the work is and realize they need to work harder to achieve more success.