The match race we all need to see - Ryan Tuohy vs Katelyn Tuohy- Who you got?

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1 year ago 01/28/2025 4:33pm EST

We just finished up recording our podcast and we were talking about Katlyn Tuohy's 2025 debut. As I was looking up her result and searching for her actual time, I noticed her brother Ryan, who turned 17 last week, ran in the same meet.

And then I realized how evenly matched they'd be in match race.

Katelyn ran 4:25.54 in the mile this week. Ryan ran 4:05.16 for 1500 earlier this month which converts to 4:24 in the mile which is Tuohy's pb.

Ryan has a 9:19 2 mile pb. Tuohy has an 8:35 3k pb which converts to a 9:16.6 2 mile.

So who wins the match race?

At 3k and above, maybe Katelyn could hold him off.

Mile and below and I'm going Ryan as I don't think she'd drop him and guys have better speed than women in shorter distances. Ryan ran 2:33.97 in the 1k this week for example and I'm not sure Katelyn Tuohy could do that as that's like a 4:23 mile. Plus Ryan ran 4:20 in the mile last spring.

So definitely Ryan at shorter distance but 3k?

I'll post the link to this week's podcast when it comes out. Update here it is: https://podcast.letsrun.com/ep...

This post was edited 18 hours after it was posted. Reason provided: added in link to podcast

1 year ago 01/28/2025 4:43pm EST

re: rojo

Are you talking about a 1v1?

If so, I'd take him for everything 2 mile and below. 5000 is a tossup. Over 5000 she wins. She wouldn't drop him over 2 miles and he'd be able to sit on her shoulder and outkick.

1 year ago 01/28/2025 4:47pm EST

re: 1v1?

1v1? wrote:
Are you talking about a 1v1?
If so, I'd take him for everything 2 mile and below. 5000 is a tossup. Over 5000 she wins. She wouldn't drop him over 2 miles and he'd be able to sit on her shoulder and outkick.

And obviously this goes without saying, but he'd win in a mile (same logic) and blow by her in a 800

1 year ago 01/28/2025 5:11pm EST

re: rojo

rojo wrote:
So who wins the match race?

Maybe it depends upon which one has been hitting more of Nick Bare’s gear lately.

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1 year ago 01/28/2025 5:35pm EST

re: rojo

He wins every event. He will run 4:15/9:05 this year. She will run 4:25/8:40.

1 year ago 01/28/2025 5:49pm EST

re: rojo

This is sort of pointless because he is likely improving at a rate where he would be beating her at every distance within the next year or so. He has bigger fish to fry if he is so inclined.

1 year ago 01/28/2025 5:52pm EST

re: Ixxe

Ixxe wrote:
This is sort of pointless because he is likely improving at a rate where he would be beating her at every distance within the next year or so. He has bigger fish to fry if he is so inclined.

And men shouldn’t compete against women.

1 year ago 01/28/2025 6:33pm EST

re: 1v1?

1v1? wrote:
Are you talking about a 1v1?
If so, I'd take him for everything 2 mile and below. 5000 is a tossup. Over 5000 she wins. She wouldn't drop him over 2 miles and he'd be able to sit on her shoulder and outkick.

At the current moment? NO WAY Katelyn loses to her younger brother. She would DIE on the line to win.

A year from now? He’ll win in every event.

1 year ago 01/28/2025 6:34pm EST

re: UpperState

UpperState wrote:
1v1? wrote:
Are you talking about a 1v1?
If so, I'd take him for everything 2 mile and below. 5000 is a tossup. Over 5000 she wins. She wouldn't drop him over 2 miles and he'd be able to sit on her shoulder and outkick.
At the current moment? NO WAY Katelyn loses to her younger brother. She would DIE on the line to win.
A year from now? He’ll win in every event.

NOTE to the above:

She’d also cheer him on every moment.

1 year ago 01/29/2025 3:13am EST

re: Ixxe

Ixxe wrote:
This is sort of pointless because he is likely improving at a rate where he would be beating her at every distance within the next year or so. He has bigger fish to fry if he is so inclined.

Oh my goodness you guys are all miserable

This is a really fun question

I think KT wins 5000 and above, Ryan wins anything shorter.

1 year ago 01/29/2025 3:44am EST

re: cope and sneed

cope and sneed wrote:
Ixxe wrote:
This is sort of pointless because he is likely improving at a rate where he would be beating her at every distance within the next year or so. He has bigger fish to fry if he is so inclined.
Oh my goodness you guys are all miserable
This is a really fun question
I think KT wins 5000 and above, Ryan wins anything shorter.

Nice take

1 year ago 01/30/2025 11:54am EST

re: 1v1?

1v1? wrote:
Are you talking about a 1v1?
If so, I'd take him for everything 2 mile and below. 5000 is a tossup. Over 5000 she wins. She wouldn't drop him over 2 miles and he'd be able to sit on her shoulder and outkick.

This is a pretty reasonable take - if Katelyn and Ryan were each to run a solo time trial in the 3200m it's possible that Katelyn's would be faster, but head-to-head there isn't enough of a gap in their fitness to prevent him from hanging off her shoulder and likely being able to nab her in the final 150m. At 5k, she could likely gap him in the last third of the race and win by a few seconds.

1 year ago 01/30/2025 1:37pm EST

re: rojo

rojo wrote:
We just finished up recording our podcast and we were talking about Katlyn Tuohy's 2025 debut. As I was looking up her result and searching for her actual time, I noticed her brother Ryan, who turned 17 last week, ran in the same meet.
And then I realized how evenly matched they'd be in match race.
Katelyn ran 4:25.54 in the mile this week. Ryan ran 4:05.16 for 1500 earlier this month which converts to 4:24 in the mile which is Tuohy's pb.
Ryan has a 9:19 2 mile pb. Tuohy has an 8:35 3k pb which converts to a 9:16.6 2 mile.
So who wins the match race?
At 3k and above, maybe Katelyn could hold him off.
Mile and below and I'm going Ryan as I don't think she'd drop him and guys have better speed than women in shorter distances. Ryan ran 2:33.97 in the 1k this week for example and I'm not sure Katelyn Tuohy could do that as that's like a 4:23 mile. Plus Ryan ran 4:20 in the mile last spring.
So definitely Ryan at shorter distance but 3k?
I'll post the link to this week's podcast when it comes out. Update here it is:
Link:podcast.letsrun.com/episode/5ab08dfa/c...

A novel and interesting idea, but maybe not the best for the Touhy dinner table...

1 year ago 01/30/2025 1:51pm EST

re: rojo

Match race, 200m track, they start 100m apart. I’m going with Katelyn 3k and up. She has too much experience time trialing from the front.

1 year ago 01/30/2025 5:19pm EST

re: cope and sneed

cope and sneed wrote:
Ixxe wrote:
This is sort of pointless because he is likely improving at a rate where he would be beating her at every distance within the next year or so. He has bigger fish to fry if he is so inclined.
Oh my goodness you guys are all miserable
This is a really fun question
I think KT wins 5000 and above, Ryan wins anything shorter.

Why is it a fun question? What makes you think I am miserable? Your answer is arbitrary and ridiculous. So there is something magical that happens at 5000m which gives Katelyn the advantage? The vast majority of people who are better than the other person at 2 miles are also better at 5000m. If Ryan beats her at 2 miles he likely beats her at 5000m.

1 year ago 02/06/2025 1:53am EST

re: rojo

Katelyn Tuohy went to NXN with her team in 2015. 10 years after that (2025), her brother’s team looks to be the favorite from NY to make it

1 year ago 02/06/2025 9:16am EST

re: NXN appearances

How many Young siblings qualified as part of their teams? How did their teams do?

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