If it looks like a duck…. (Cmon this is getting ridiculous) Josh Hoey 2:14.48 1k - AR & #2 all-time

duckhunter33 wrote:

This doesn’t seem to be on most people’s radar and I can’t figure out why. Maybe because he’s a nice Christian white boy and we all love a comeback story… but either Josh Hoey had the breakthrough of the century after 7 years stuck at 1:47 or he’s the most blatant doper in the world.

2:14 in the indoor K?! Are you out of your mind!? That’s closer to the world record than the previous American Record, from a guy who last year had a 1:47 (outdoor) 800 PR? Look at his recent results and tell me something doesn’t smell right. Watch the races and see right where he ties up, looking like any normal pro runner would during the last 50m of an 800, but he’s got 400m left. The worst form I’ve ever seen but he doesn’t seem to ever hit the wall.

Justin Rinaldi must really know how to escape the doping authorities, first Bol now this. Would love to know why he doesn’t get torn apart online like he would if his last name started with “Kip”?!

newaccountsinceyourwebsitesucks wrote:

duckhunter33 wrote:

This doesn’t seem to be on most people’s radar and I can’t figure out why. Maybe because he’s a nice Christian white boy and we all love a comeback story… but either Josh Hoey had the breakthrough of the century after 7 years stuck at 1:47 or he’s the most blatant doper in the world.

2:14 in the indoor K?! Are you out of your mind!? That’s closer to the world record than the previous American Record, from a guy who last year had a 1:47 (outdoor) 800 PR? Look at his recent results and tell me something doesn’t smell right. Watch the races and see right where he ties up, looking like any normal pro runner would during the last 50m of an 800, but he’s got 400m left. The worst form I’ve ever seen but he doesn’t seem to ever hit the wall.

Justin Rinaldi must really know how to escape the doping authorities, first Bol now this. Would love to know why he doesn’t get torn apart online like he would if his last name started with “Kip”?!

He ran 1:47 in high school, he doesn't exactly have a shortage of talent - and i'm telling you guys, talent never goes away.

Is there a double standard here? 100%, he would be getting TORN APART right now if he was African.

2020420 wrote:

What!!! wrote:

Yep, when Africans run amazing times they are doping when whites do it, they are awesome and improving. It is a double standard.

For years I heard Komen's 7:20 was doped Jacob smashes it but he's not doping.

Hicham is doping but Jacob comes close he's not doping at all.

Shelby is innocent but Ruth is doping in the marathon.

I expect to hear from our doping analyst Covette and day now.

You're ignoring a whole hell of a lot of context for Komen and Guerrouj doping. Komen ran for survival, he had very little incentive to not dope. His 7:20 was run with some of the worst pacing I've ever seen, and he could only muster a 59.6 last lap. He did it on the old and (admittedly fast but not modern Mondo) and terrible spikes. In the height of the EPO era with no test.

Guerrouj has already been discussed ad nauseam - the height of his powers coincide exactly with the EPO era and he retires as soon as a test for EPO is announced only aged 30. 5 times 3:26.X 1500's in the old spikes and tracks, training group heavily associated with doping.

I agree with your sentiment about Ruth and Shelby. Shelby 100% doped. To me Ruth seems highly likely but without a positive is not a slam dunk, much like Komen and Guerrouj.

All that being said, I will never vouch for anyone being clean or not clean that I don't know. I can't say I'd be terribly surprised if it came out eventually that Ingebrigtsen doped... however, I think even if he ever did test positive he's more in the too big to fail category.

2020420 wrote:

You're ignoring a whole hell of a lot of context for Komen and Guerrouj doping. Komen ran for survival, he had very little incentive to not dope. His 7:20 was run with some of the worst pacing I've ever seen, and he could only muster a 59.6 last lap. He did it on the old and (admittedly fast but not modern Mondo) and terrible spikes. In the height of the EPO era with no test.

Guerrouj has already been discussed ad nauseam - the height of his powers coincide exactly with the EPO era and he retires as soon as a test for EPO is announced only aged 30. 5 times 3:26.X 1500's in the old spikes and tracks, training group heavily associated with doping.

I agree with your sentiment about Ruth and Shelby. Shelby 100% doped. To me Ruth seems highly likely but without a positive is not a slam dunk, much like Komen and Guerrouj.

All that being said, I will never vouch for anyone being clean or not clean that I don't know. I can't say I'd be terribly surprised if it came out eventually that Ingebrigtsen doped... however, I think even if he ever did test positive he's more in the too big to fail category.