Yesterday, ex-pro cyclist Tom Dumoulin (winner of the Giro) got 30th place in the Egmond half marathon in the Netherlands (which is a pretty difficult course, through the dunes and over the beach), in a time of 1:08:43. The day before he got 31st in the Egmond-Pier-Egmond beach cycling race, winning the combined classification. He says he runs 3 times a week, without a training schedule.
Has built a massive engine. Lots of natural talent. Cross training works.
This guy was a legit pro at cycling, so obviously he'll get way better results than most us here would training the same way. It would be interesting to look at results from amateur cyclists in running races.
You shouldn't expect big things from him anymore, Dumoulin had answered. Because he doesn't really train anymore. More than two years after ending his cycling career, he has become a fanatic amateur athlete. He still goes out about five times a week: cycling twice with friends and running three times through the hilly landscape around his hometown of Maastricht. No longer with a goal, but just to be physically active and stay fit.
He doesn't care about a training schedule. He goes purely by feeling when he goes to exercise. If he feels like suffering, he just pulls through. That way he gets his high heart rates 'fairly naturally'. A few weeks before Egmond he had added some more intensive 'panic training'. He still wanted to look good, but he also tempered his expectations. 'If I don't lose too much time on Saturday and can finish around 1.15 hours on Sunday, then I'll be doing well, I think.'
This guy was a legit pro at cycling, so obviously he'll get way better results than most us here would training the same way. It would be interesting to look at results from amateur cyclists in running races.
The cycling just gives you cardiovascular fitness. It's the 3 days of running, and his interest in running that make him fast.
Most cyclists suck at running. Legs like tree trunks and no desire to run.
There is never a shortcut to running fast. You must have an interest in running, talent and some specific training as a runner.
3 runs/workouts a week, with all easy and recovery on the bike is very similar to the Valby arc trainer program.
I get what you mean, but Doumalin is a world class cyclist who is not doing easy reps on the bike, and Valby has documented how she destroys the arc for workouts, not just recovery.
3 days a week you can get to 90% of your capability, but only if the training is productive and efficient. 3 easy days because you have no balls to push the pace won't cut it.
3 runs/workouts a week, with all easy and recovery on the bike is very similar to the Valby arc trainer program.
I get what you mean, but Doumalin is a world class cyclist who is not doing easy reps on the bike, and Valby has documented how she destroys the arc for workouts, not just recovery.
You can go hard as he### on the bike, swim, elliptical, rowere, ARC on your easy, recovery day, because there is no pounding.
Swimmers hard day is 2 hours of vomit inducing intervals.
Easy day is 90 minutes of vomit inducing intervals. In base phase, even doubles both days.
Rest and recovery in running not for heart, but for your legs.
Another good one. What to TdF cyclists do on their off day? For many a 4hr bike ride.
I get what you mean, but Doumalin is a world class cyclist who is not doing easy reps on the bike, and Valby has documented how she destroys the arc for workouts, not just recovery.
You can go hard as he### on the bike, swim, elliptical, rowere, ARC on your easy, recovery day, because there is no pounding.
Swimmers hard day is 2 hours of vomit inducing intervals.
Easy day is 90 minutes of vomit inducing intervals. In base phase, even doubles both days.
Rest and recovery in running not for heart, but for your legs.
Another good one. What to TdF cyclists do on their off day? For many a 4hr bike ride.
You got me thinking for sure. Maybe this easy day stuff is for runners only? But why is it Seilers work indicates XC skiers and rowers also do 80/20 ish? I am not a swimmer nor Xc skier but i assume they indeed do actual recovery/ easy days, not vomit inducing.
3 runs/workouts a week, with all easy and recovery on the bike is very similar to the Valby arc trainer program.
I've trained like this for the past 14 months with a lot of success compared to the prior 23 years I've been training traditionally, but no one cares because I'm not an elite runner.
Then you still have the people here that will compare him (and Valby) to anyone faster to "prove" that they should just run more.
He is in really good shape from decades of cycling.
So much running success is determined by being in shape. I know it sounds dumb but I used to coach at several universities and the majority of student athletes were NOT in shape at all.
You can run every day and still not be in shape (I’m currently doing this as a fat hobby jogger).
You could get most really in shape people to be solid at running
Shutting mouth to everyone saying that cross training doesn’t work
Who says it doesn't?
In any case, this is more proof that cycling talent doesn't translate to running talent. 1:08:xx is what an average post-college (D2) runner can do. This would be like Cole Hocker switching to cycling and never breaking out of Cat 3 (which is fairly likely, tbh). It's fine, but a time like that barely gets you top-10 in the women's field in Houston.
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