That's the question. Have any of you on here actually ventured into what we call the grey area, where what you are taking, injecting, supplementing, while not illegal is not allowed under certain governing body rules.
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I want to try bpc-157 for my shoulder issues of 10 years. Still on the fence because of some possible side effects I've read about.
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No. Waste of money.
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Blahbleheh wrote:
I want to try bpc-157 for my shoulder issues of 10 years. Still on the fence because of some possible side effects I've read about.
I read a lot about this and tb500 used to help heal injuries. Certainly interesting, but you always wonder what's BS, what's the placebo affect, and what actually works.
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No, but I would give bicarb a try if I could get a single serving of it
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GandolfTheGray wrote:
That's the question. Have any of you on here actually ventured into what we call the grey area, where what you are taking, injecting, supplementing, while not illegal is not allowed under certain governing body rules.
Cardarine is interesting to me but I would never actually try it. The risks far outweigh the benefits. EPO also scares me. It seems like most doping agents have a significant downside.
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Hobby joggers using peptides, woo, and Cardarine is like the 50yo overweight guy at the rec center that shows up in full nba uniform, complete with arm sleeves. Don’t be silly.
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not worth it wrote:
GandolfTheGray wrote:
That's the question. Have any of you on here actually ventured into what we call the grey area, where what you are taking, injecting, supplementing, while not illegal is not allowed under certain governing body rules.
Cardarine is interesting to me but I would never actually try it. The risks far outweigh the benefits. EPO also scares me. It seems like most doping agents have a significant downside.
I took roughly 100mg of cardarine over 2 weeks, under 10mg per day. Its effects are interesting. I didn't feel much better on fast stuff (think 300s at 800), and the recovery time was similar. But I never felt tired on easy runs (or long runs) and my lower-intensity workouts like threshold reps or even 10k pace felt incredibly easy. I felt like I'd recover instantly after each rep so each rep felt like the first (well, let's say the second as that one tends to feel the easiest - fully warmed up). Typically if I'm running something like 7x mile at threshold I'll feel a bit tired after 3 miles in and definitely tired / working hard at 5 in, but I never felt that fatigue at all. It's not a wonder-drug but allows you to work much harder.
As to the risks, I realized that taking truly low doses over a 14 day period will almost certainly be fine. I read a ton of athletes at the Beijing olympics took it and they're fine. So my thinking is that taking truly small doses over a very short time will be more akin to smoking for a bit - chainsmoking for 10+ years is different than having an occasional cigarette or 2.
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not worth it wrote:
Cardarine is interesting to me but I would never actually try it. The risks far outweigh the benefits. EPO also scares me. It seems like most doping agents have a significant downside.
What downsides does EPO have? Assuming microdosing
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GandolfTheGray wrote:
That's the question. Have any of you on here actually ventured into what we call the grey area, where what you are taking, injecting, supplementing, while not illegal is not allowed under certain governing body rules.
I'd love to find something that heals my bum knee.
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Does Red Bull count ?
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Old Guy Radio wrote:
GandolfTheGray wrote:
That's the question. Have any of you on here actually ventured into what we call the grey area, where what you are taking, injecting, supplementing, while not illegal is not allowed under certain governing body rules.
I'd love to find something that heals my bum knee.
Depends on what the issue is. If you have cartilage loss there is really nothing you can take that will help. You would need to explore MACI, or other similar procedures.
Anything you take (ingest, apply, or inject) may help with the symptoms but it will not "heal" your knee.
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There isn’t really a “grey area.” There are just middle aged hobby joggers who are doping.
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JackmanJones wrote:
There isn’t really a “grey area.” There are just middle aged hobby joggers who are doping.
I know it's splitting hairs, but I think there's a difference between "doping" strictly for performance gains vs "doping" to heal an injury or chronic pain.
I know some people are very black n white about it, but I am not.
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Taking something to speed recovery is strictly for performance gains
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When I have a cold I’ll take Sudafed (banned some places and not others) before a Turkey Trot. I’m old and slow and don’t win anything except for the occasional race raffle.
The shame.
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One time I took caffeine before a race. I pr'd.
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GandolfTheGray wrote:
JackmanJones wrote:
There isn’t really a “grey area.” There are just middle aged hobby joggers who are doping.
I know it's splitting hairs, but I think there's a difference between "doping" strictly for performance gains vs "doping" to heal an injury or chronic pain.
I know some people are very black n white about it, but I am not.
How many running injuries are out there where taking a banned substance will actually help speed up recovery?
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Not in the know... wrote:
How many running injuries are out there where taking a banned substance will actually help speed up recovery?
Maybe not running, but general injuries:
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Old Guy Radio wrote:
GandolfTheGray wrote:
That's the question. Have any of you on here actually ventured into what we call the grey area, where what you are taking, injecting, supplementing, while not illegal is not allowed under certain governing body rules.
I'd love to find something that heals my bum knee.
I'm mechanically doping lol. I have a screw going through my kneecap and a wire wrapped around it.
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