Should Jakob Ingebritsen do more speedwork?

old800guy wrote:

I ask this having no idea how much speed work he does or doesn’t do. However, I have 3 observations:

1) He seems to have a soft spot for the 1500 and runs it often. I think he wants to be known as the best 1500 runner ever.

2) He is a time trial machine, and imho far and away the best in the world in a rabbited 1500

3) He is almost always beaten in world championship 1500s due to his lack of kick. 2021 Olympics were an exception due to the hot pace set by someone else.

4) As far as I’m aware, he hasn’t run any races shorter than 1500 in the past 4 or 5 years.

Should he do a training cycle or two focused on 800 or even 400 training? I feel like his aerobic base is so huge that he wouldn’t lose much in a few months of 800 training. He could even break up the shorter distance training with a week or two of aerobic training to touch back on his strength if needed. I feel like if he became a 1:43-1:44 800 guy he’d be unbeatable over 1500.

If I was ingebritsen and wanted to add the last tool to my 1500 toolbox I’d definitely be thinking about something like this.

JakobGOATbrigtsen wrote:

old800guy wrote:

I ask this having no idea how much speed work he does or doesn’t do. However, I have 3 observations:

1) He seems to have a soft spot for the 1500 and runs it often. I think he wants to be known as the best 1500 runner ever.

2) He is a time trial machine, and imho far and away the best in the world in a rabbited 1500

3) He is almost always beaten in world championship 1500s due to his lack of kick. 2021 Olympics were an exception due to the hot pace set by someone else.

4) As far as I’m aware, he hasn’t run any races shorter than 1500 in the past 4 or 5 years.

Should he do a training cycle or two focused on 800 or even 400 training? I feel like his aerobic base is so huge that he wouldn’t lose much in a few months of 800 training. He could even break up the shorter distance training with a week or two of aerobic training to touch back on his strength if needed. I feel like if he became a 1:43-1:44 800 guy he’d be unbeatable over 1500.

If I was ingebritsen and wanted to add the last tool to my 1500 toolbox I’d definitely be thinking about something like this.

Who cares? By 2032 he will have 5-6 Olympic Golds, every WR from the 1500 to the marathon, and multiple marathon major wins.

old800guy wrote:

I ask this having no idea how much speed work he does or doesn’t do. However, I have 3 observations:

1) He seems to have a soft spot for the 1500 and runs it often. I think he wants to be known as the best 1500 runner ever.

2) He is a time trial machine, and imho far and away the best in the world in a rabbited 1500

3) He is almost always beaten in world championship 1500s due to his lack of kick. 2021 Olympics were an exception due to the hot pace set by someone else.

4) As far as I’m aware, he hasn’t run any races shorter than 1500 in the past 4 or 5 years.

Should he do a training cycle or two focused on 800 or even 400 training? I feel like his aerobic base is so huge that he wouldn’t lose much in a few months of 800 training. He could even break up the shorter distance training with a week or two of aerobic training to touch back on his strength if needed. I feel like if he became a 1:43-1:44 800 guy he’d be unbeatable over 1500.

If I was ingebritsen and wanted to add the last tool to my 1500 toolbox I’d definitely be thinking about something like this.

Far and away? wrote:

he should stop leading wrote:

Jakob loses championships because of his stupid insistence on running “honorably” i.e. from the front, not because he can’t kick. Make a speedster like Cole lead at a fast pace for 1400m and he’ll get dropped the same way Jakob did in Paris. When you run that way, you make yourself the only one who doesn’t have a pacer. It’s a massive disadvantage.

Tactics are his problem, not training.

We all have our strengths and weaknesses. Jakob runs the right race tactically for his best chance to win, he just doesn’t have the ability against the current group of competitors.

You Ingy fans think he’s this super kicker that burns his own kick off by running stupidly.

If Jakob could kick like Centro or Hocker, he’d race like Centro or Hocker. Willing to run as slow as possible.

Far and away? wrote:

old800guy wrote:

I ask this having no idea how much speed work he does or doesn’t do. However, I have 3 observations:

1) He seems to have a soft spot for the 1500 and runs it often. I think he wants to be known as the best 1500 runner ever.

2) He is a time trial machine, and imho far and away the best in the world in a rabbited 1500

3) He is almost always beaten in world championship 1500s due to his lack of kick. 2021 Olympics were an exception due to the hot pace set by someone else.

4) As far as I’m aware, he hasn’t run any races shorter than 1500 in the past 4 or 5 years.

Should he do a training cycle or two focused on 800 or even 400 training? I feel like his aerobic base is so huge that he wouldn’t lose much in a few months of 800 training. He could even break up the shorter distance training with a week or two of aerobic training to touch back on his strength if needed. I feel like if he became a 1:43-1:44 800 guy he’d be unbeatable over 1500.

If I was ingebritsen and wanted to add the last tool to my 1500 toolbox I’d definitely be thinking about something like this.

His PR is only 0.9 ahead of Cole. In Jakob’s PR race, he was unimpeded. Cole had to decelerate with 150m to go which probably cost him 0.2.

So all in all, Jakob was slightly more than half a second faster than Cole, who is a in year younger and improving at a faster rate.

He’s not far and away ahead.