Haven’t heard about him in a while. Gotta be one of the greatest Canadian running talents to never realize their potential. Anyone know anything about his status?
He ran 3:33 and 12:51. How much faster do you think he could have gone?
3:31 and 12:46-ish.
kiss of death was joining up with schumacher. literally the worst coach for an injury prone athlete to associate with.
Kiss of death was getting too out of shape when his old group was dismantled. You're not a spring chicken forever, people generally hit their fastest 1500-5000 times in the 23-26 age range, and he stopped trying for a period of time in that range.
We still believe! I mean CPT out here running pbs and running championships but we'll invest our $$ on a guy who hasn't run a race in 40 months and doesn't show any signs of running another one in the next 40 and not the guy who consistently shows up and gets it done.
Bro his college coach literally ruined him, he joined Bowerman clearly overweight and hurt.
Are ya’ll actually the bowerman group trolling on the boards? There’s no shot people are this restarted.
if i was a btc fan, i wouldn't be talking poorly about schumacher. in addition, i believe the word you were lookin for was "retarded"- irony is a beautiful thing, isn't it?
kiss of death was joining up with schumacher. literally the worst coach for an injury prone athlete to associate with.
Kiss of death was getting too out of shape when his old group was dismantled. You're not a spring chicken forever, people generally hit their fastest 1500-5000 times in the 23-26 age range, and he stopped trying for a period of time in that range.
Taking two whole years off during at 18 or 19 is an advantage to ones pro career (Mantz, Young), taking some time off at 23-26 is the kiss of death.
He ran 3:33 and 12:51. How much faster do you think he could have gone?
Yeah I would agree that is pretty damn good - I mean someone else mentioned 3.31 and 12.46 - maybe with more exposure to wavelight races that was possible, but I don't think 3.33 and 12.51 is a massive under indexing of his ability by any means.
The first thing that jumps to mind with him is just how hard this sport is and how hard it is to stay relevant for extended periods of time except for a very few elite talents. Justyn was a very good talent - can't run 12.51 in particular without being one, but the work needed to do to get there clearly was too much for his body bigger picture. Like Brazier (more talent but similar situation), it's sad to see his career basically over at 27/28 with only really 2 elite seasons to show for it.
It's a brutally difficult sport.
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He ran 3:33 and 12:51. How much faster do you think he could have gone?
Yeah I would agree that is pretty damn good - I mean someone else mentioned 3.31 and 12.46 - maybe with more exposure to wavelight races that was possible, but I don't think 3.33 and 12.51 is a massive under indexing of his ability by any means.
The first thing that jumps to mind with him is just how hard this sport is and how hard it is to stay relevant for extended periods of time except for a very few elite talents. Justyn was a very good talent - can't run 12.51 in particular without being one, but the work needed to do to get there clearly was too much for his body bigger picture. Like Brazier (more talent but similar situation), it's sad to see his career basically over at 27/28 with only really 2 elite seasons to show for it.
It's a brutally difficult sport.
Really good assessment. I don't remember seeing the details on the collapse though? He withdrew in 2022 from Canadian Champs, not be seen from since really? 12;51 at 25 in 2021 was no joke.
Knight withdrew from the 2022 Canadian track and field championships, citing the need to manage an Achilles tendon injury in advance of the 2022 World Athletics Championships.
Haven’t heard about him in a while. Gotta be one of the greatest Canadian running talents to never realize their potential. Anyone know anything about his status?
Yes, I know. He's still with BTC.
Rewatch the NXN video. You will see him in black rain gear at the finish line along with Grant, Cooper, Charles, Valerie, and Karissa.
And -- in someone's IG post recently -- he's back training. In fact there was a "rumor" thread on this forum fairly recently stating the same.
When BTC starts posting IG photos of the guys training in Flagstaff next month during their annual winter camp, we'll get a better sense of what kind of shape he's in and whether he'll resume competing soon.
Yeah I would agree that is pretty damn good - I mean someone else mentioned 3.31 and 12.46 - maybe with more exposure to wavelight races that was possible, but I don't think 3.33 and 12.51 is a massive under indexing of his ability by any means.
The first thing that jumps to mind with him is just how hard this sport is and how hard it is to stay relevant for extended periods of time except for a very few elite talents. Justyn was a very good talent - can't run 12.51 in particular without being one, but the work needed to do to get there clearly was too much for his body bigger picture. Like Brazier (more talent but similar situation), it's sad to see his career basically over at 27/28 with only really 2 elite seasons to show for it.
It's a brutally difficult sport.
Really good assessment. I don't remember seeing the details on the collapse though? He withdrew in 2022 from Canadian Champs, not be seen from since really? 12;51 at 25 in 2021 was no joke.
Knight withdrew from the 2022 Canadian track and field championships, citing the need to manage an Achilles tendon injury in advance of the 2022 World Athletics Championships.
Yeah I remember him withdrawing from the Canadian champs in '22 and that was basically that.
When I think of guys like Knight, Brazier etc, I can't help feel like there is a need in the pro sport for an another element in the athletes "team" beyond external support (like parents, husband, wife, partner, friends etc), the coach and the agent.
As humans - particularly young ones in their 20's, have incredible powers of recuperation from injury etc etc - but they still have to follow the rules of effective management which might mean a change in training type or even stepping back from training so the body can channel it's resources into full repair. Then you have to have the discipline to not just steamroll back into your running when you do get "healthy". The problem is agents don't really care about this nor do many of them even have the experience/incentive to help and a lot of the time the coaches are so concerned with the "integrity of the periodization, schedule etc" that they certainly aren't on the cautious side of injury management.
So much of it gets left up to the athletes to decide and when you are a young pro, trying to run fast, seeing your peers running fast all year round these days you begin to tell yourself stuff like you can't even afford a month off or else the season is lost. I can't help feel like that was the situation with Brazier because his injury was well known (dating back to '21) and clearly was never handled correctly - but who was really advising him? It wasn't Peter Julian that's for sure. He just ran himself into destruction and he's done - a career that ended up 1/3 of the length it should have been, not even an Olympic Games on the resume. Now I don't know if Knight is the same situation but it's clearly an injury issue or one that started with an injury and it's crazy that this appears like it might also end his career.
Just take the L and move on dude. You screwed up. We’ve all done it. I do agree about the Bowerman apologists here. Seems like they’re getting fewer and fewer though. Hope Justyn gets it together for one more epic season.
We still believe! I mean CPT out here running pbs and running championships but we'll invest our $ on a guy who hasn't run a race in 40 months and doesn't show any signs of running another one in the next 40 and not the guy who consistently shows up and gets it done.
These two athletes aren't comparable at all. CPT is 33, has never made a final, and is usually eliminated in the heats of major champs. He is on the wrong end of the age curve for a middle distance runner, and has displayed marginal improvement since 2015 (from 3:34.23 to 3:32.94), which is probably due to improvements in track surfaces and spike technology.
Justyn Knight is 5 years younger, and was 7th in the Olympics. It's a better investment to back his talent, even if it's a long shot on him getting back to what he was.
And what happened to Syracuse? They had a brief run where they won the chip and were one of the best teams but then they fell off. Why couldn’t they sustain their success?
We still believe! I mean CPT out here running pbs and running championships but we'll invest our $ on a guy who hasn't run a race in 40 months and doesn't show any signs of running another one in the next 40 and not the guy who consistently shows up and gets it done.
These two athletes aren't comparable at all. CPT is 33, has never made a final, and is usually eliminated in the heats of major champs. He is on the wrong end of the age curve for a middle distance runner, and has displayed marginal improvement since 2015 (from 3:34.23 to 3:32.94), which is probably due to improvements in track surfaces and spike technology.
Justyn Knight is 5 years younger, and was 7th in the Olympics. It's a better investment to back his talent, even if it's a long shot on him getting back to what he was.
Downvote me all you want. Canada has very few world class talents in distance events. So those few people (Mo, GDS, Justyn) will get more leniency and support from Athletics Canada than someone like CPT who has probably maxed out.