Only 2 underclassmen Brian Musau and Denis Kipngetich finished ahead of him. With the influx of foreign runners I wouldn't expect him to win next year, but a top 5 finish wouldn't surprise me. Great run for the former HS mile standout!
Gary Martin will break 13 minutes for 5000m in the next 2 years. This is obvious. He has been getting stronger and this cross country result is outstanding.
What are we just handing out sub 13 like candy now? Martin’s great, he’s obviously had a great aerobic leap and may run 3:31-3:32 in 2025, but he’s most certainly not going sub 13 in 2025 or 2026, if ever. His PR is 13:31 and that was a good race for him. I could see 13:10-13:15
What are we just handing out sub 13 like candy now? Martin’s great, he’s obviously had a great aerobic leap and may run 3:31-3:32 in 2025, but he’s most certainly not going sub 13 in 2025 or 2026, if ever. His PR is 13:31 and that was a good race for him. I could see 13:10-13:15
What are we just handing out sub 13 like candy now? Martin’s great, he’s obviously had a great aerobic leap and may run 3:31-3:32 in 2025, but he’s most certainly not going sub 13 in 2025 or 2026, if ever. His PR is 13:31 and that was a good race for him. I could see 13:10-13:15
I made an educated prediction. Nobody is handing out anything. Start paying attention. The kid has run 1:47 and now he ran 29:02 for a 10000m cross country race. This is significant for a kid who started running later in high school. He is a major talent. Any questions?
What are we just handing out sub 13 like candy now? Martin’s great, he’s obviously had a great aerobic leap and may run 3:31-3:32 in 2025, but he’s most certainly not going sub 13 in 2025 or 2026, if ever. His PR is 13:31 and that was a good race for him. I could see 13:10-13:15
I made an educated prediction. Nobody is handing out anything. Start paying attention. The kid has run 1:47 and now he ran 29:02 for a 10000m cross country race. This is significant for a kid who started running later in high school. He is a major talent. Any questions?
I think 12:xx is highly optimistic. He’s highly talented, but I’M making an educated prediction that he’s not sub 13 material as a collegiate. I don’t think you’re quite as knowledgeable on the sport as you claim if you think 1:47 is a great 800 for a 3:35 runner. Doesn’t mean he can’t contend for world 1500 teams. Sahlman is a more likely candidate for sub 13 to me (still don’t think he’ll do it in college.
I made an educated prediction. Nobody is handing out anything. Start paying attention. The kid has run 1:47 and now he ran 29:02 for a 10000m cross country race. This is significant for a kid who started running later in high school. He is a major talent. Any questions?
I think 12:xx is highly optimistic. He’s highly talented, but I’M making an educated prediction that he’s not sub 13 material as a collegiate. I don’t think you’re quite as knowledgeable on the sport as you claim if you think 1:47 is a great 800 for a 3:35 runner. Doesn’t mean he can’t contend for world 1500 teams. Sahlman is a more likely candidate for sub 13 to me (still don’t think he’ll do it in college.
I did NOT say Martin would run sub 13 in college. Please pay attention. I said he would do it in the next 2 years. Gary is a 20 year old who can run 1:47 and likely can run sub 28 on the track. He is improving at a rate where sub 13 is only a matter of time. We can agree to disagree.
“The next 2 years” is the in all likelihood the remainder of Martin’s eligibility….? What are you on about? 2 years from now is 2026 where he will likely turn pro. Sub 13 is not “only a matter of time” because he ran 1:47 (not anywhere near sub 13 territory) or because he has had a good XC season. Need I remind you that only ONE collegian ever has done it, and they were far better aerobically than Martin. Young was 4th at NCAA’s as a freshman, Martin 13th as a junior. 27:59 is also not anywhere near sub 13. As I agreed, he is improving and should be good for ~13:15 if he does the BU meet in a couple weeks
“The next 2 years” is the in all likelihood the remainder of Martin’s eligibility….? What are you on about? 2 years from now is 2026 where he will likely turn pro. Sub 13 is not “only a matter of time” because he ran 1:47 (not anywhere near sub 13 territory) or because he has had a good XC season. Need I remind you that only ONE collegian ever has done it, and they were far better aerobically than Martin. Young was 4th at NCAA’s as a freshman, Martin 13th as a junior. 27:59 is also not anywhere near sub 13. As I agreed, he is improving and should be good for ~13:15 if he does the BU meet in a couple weeks
You say he should be able to run about 13:15 now and he is improving, so you are agreeing with me that sub within 2 years would be probable. Otherwise you contradict yourself.
“The next 2 years” is the in all likelihood the remainder of Martin’s eligibility….? What are you on about? 2 years from now is 2026 where he will likely turn pro. Sub 13 is not “only a matter of time” because he ran 1:47 (not anywhere near sub 13 territory) or because he has had a good XC season. Need I remind you that only ONE collegian ever has done it, and they were far better aerobically than Martin. Young was 4th at NCAA’s as a freshman, Martin 13th as a junior. 27:59 is also not anywhere near sub 13. As I agreed, he is improving and should be good for ~13:15 if he does the BU meet in a couple weeks
You say he should be able to run about 13:15 now and he is improving, so you are agreeing with me that sub within 2 years would be probable. Otherwise you contradict yourself.
I knew you were going to say this, and it is absolutely not the case. He has had an enormous leap in fitness, and while I’m not saying it’s IMPOSSIBLE, I’d say this is probably the biggest aerobic leap he will have for the rest of his career. If he had one of the same size again (I don’t think he will as a collegian) it would put him around 13:05-13:10 as we all know diminishing returns and asymptotic progression. So he would essentially need to have two more breakout seasons in a row. That is NOT probable.
Would you like to address the rest of the paragraph or does the truth hurt your feelings, Mr Martin white knight? I have no problem with him but saying it’s PROBABLE he will run sub 13 is a young fan’s wishful thinking and nothing more. Not impossible, highly highly highly improbable. That’s the last I’m going to say here and I will bump this after the BU meet.
You say he should be able to run about 13:15 now and he is improving, so you are agreeing with me that sub within 2 years would be probable. Otherwise you contradict yourself.
I knew you were going to say this, and it is absolutely not the case. He has had an enormous leap in fitness, and while I’m not saying it’s IMPOSSIBLE, I’d say this is probably the biggest aerobic leap he will have for the rest of his career. If he had one of the same size again (I don’t think he will as a collegian) it would put him around 13:05-13:10 as we all know diminishing returns and asymptotic progression. So he would essentially need to have two more breakout seasons in a row. That is NOT probable.
Would you like to address the rest of the paragraph or does the truth hurt your feelings, Mr Martin white knight? I have no problem with him but saying it’s PROBABLE he will run sub 13 is a young fan’s wishful thinking and nothing more. Not impossible, highly highly highly improbable. That’s the last I’m going to say here and I will bump this after the BU meet.
Bump it in 2 years. Not after the BU meet. How stupid are you? You don’t recognize that Gary Martin is at least as talented as Cooper Teare, but Gary started running relatively late.
Why bother making a promise about 2 years from now? We’ll see then. I can’t be asked to remember this dumb argument for 2 years
It is not a promise. Who promised anything? One would be a fool to promise something which is out of one’s control. It is indeed a stupid argument and you started it by disagreeing with me, which is your prerogative, but recognize how you triggered it.
Why bother making a promise about 2 years from now? We’ll see then. I can’t be asked to remember this dumb argument for 2 years
It is not a promise. Who promised anything? One would be a fool to promise something which is out of one’s control. It is indeed a stupid argument and you started it by disagreeing with me, which is your prerogative, but recognize how you triggered it.
Looking back on this thread one day you will realize how condescending and stuck up you sounded from the start, and while I’m not rooting against Martin, I now cannot wait to be right and rub it in your face. Seriously, what kind of nitpicky mongrel argumentation is this? I was the one that said I’d bump it in two weeks, then you challenged me to bump it in two years? You’re a moron
It is not a promise. Who promised anything? One would be a fool to promise something which is out of one’s control. It is indeed a stupid argument and you started it by disagreeing with me, which is your prerogative, but recognize how you triggered it.
Looking back on this thread one day you will realize how condescending and stuck up you sounded from the start, and while I’m not rooting against Martin, I now cannot wait to be right and rub it in your face. Seriously, what kind of nitpicky mongrel argumentation is this? I was the one that said I’d bump it in two weeks, then you challenged me to bump it in two years? You’re a moron
You are very insecure. Get help. This is not that important. But you have much invested here due to low self esteem.
What are we just handing out sub 13 like candy now? Martin’s great, he’s obviously had a great aerobic leap and may run 3:31-3:32 in 2025, but he’s most certainly not going sub 13 in 2025 or 2026, if ever. His PR is 13:31 and that was a good race for him. I could see 13:10-13:15
I made an educated prediction. Nobody is handing out anything. Start paying attention. The kid has run 1:47 and now he ran 29:02 for a 10000m cross country race. This is significant for a kid who started running later in high school. He is a major talent. Any questions?
This you? This unprovoked aggression is what started this, so don’t act like I’m the unstable insecure one. Learn more about the sport and maybe you’ll break 15 some day.
I made an educated prediction. Nobody is handing out anything. Start paying attention. The kid has run 1:47 and now he ran 29:02 for a 10000m cross country race. This is significant for a kid who started running later in high school. He is a major talent. Any questions?
This you? This unprovoked aggression is what started this, so don’t act like I’m the unstable insecure one. Learn more about the sport and maybe you’ll break 15 some day.
Where was the aggression in my post? Please illustrate with examples.