Keep an eye on Liam Murphy, 9th place at NCAA XC and a future star

Who?

Thanks for proving my point.

I think Murphy is a future 5K runner with lift, he ran 13:23 and 7:42 early last year after XC, if he goes to BC again, in Dec. I think he runs under 13:15. He has relayed 1:46.7 , pretty good speed, if not great for a 5K runner.

Liam Murphy: With a name like that I thought he was an Irish import but in fact he's pure Americana from New Jersey and probably third generation Irish. I watched the video of the NCAA cross country and Murphy was one of the guys who impressed me the most with his easy style and so efficient.

Definitely a future world star, not necessarily world beater but up there.

Has similar efficiency and physique (compact) with Grant Fisher.

2025 predictions: 3:33.50, 7:32.00, 13:08.00.

Mini monster.

I think he can run under 13:10 right now. Hopefully we'll soon find out in Boston.

When did he split 1:46?

Big East Outdoor 4 x 8 2023.

My apologies it was 1:47.8, I don't know where I kept getting the other number from?

I do think so, as well, did not want to get too far out there though. 13:21.x 5K last year, he is quite a bit better than that now. We shall see.

I asked you on this and this follows my hunch. These were mighty good results from a trio of mile contenders from last year with Strand, Murphy and Martin. I agree they will all consider a move up. Green ran his best XC season and is the one with most 800 ability, but these guys have him beat on endurance as he was 54th. Sahlman also did solidly and has very solid speed as well. Encouraging performances for USA 1500-5000 running, i think the old guard (Kincaid, Nur, Fisher, Klecker) faces major challenges at the 5k here. Fisher is obviously safe if not doubling, and probably overall. The 1500 is already the best in the world and having these guys join makes it even more of a gauntlet

In 2028, there will likely be 3:29 and 3:30 guys who don't make the U.S. 1500m team. That's why guys like Murphy and Strand should be thinking about the 5000.

Here are the men's 5000m winning times at the last seven US Olympic Trials:

2000: 13:27

2004: 13:27

2008: 13:27

2012: 13:22

2016: 13:35

2021: 13:26

2024: 13:08

Young, Blanks, Wolfe, Teare, Strand, Murphy, Martin could all be factors in the men's 5000m at the 2028 U.S. Olympic Trials. If any of them is willing to try the steeplechase, there's an opportunity to be had.

Those times are somewhat meaningless. If the top runners in those races had wanted to push the pace, they could have all been sub-13:10, and in recent years, sub-13.

Okay, Martin needs to straighten his form out, if he does not, there is a ceiling, plus he is not the 15 runner Murphy is who is already 9 secs faster at 5K and 5 3K. I would like to see Murphy lower his arm carriage, but, it seems to work for him. Gary must have a hu8ge engine because he is all over the place with upper body and head shoulder movement, sounds like nit picking, but...

The other fact is, that unless something drastic happened, U.S. 1500M running will be tough to crack for at least one more cycle? It's a tough go out there right now, if you are not hard edge and really prepared people will run right over you.

I don’t think that’s beside his point though. I think the point is that the OT 5k is rarely a pure strength test/time trial, so if you can bring elite 1500 speed to the table you’ve got a shot. If Murphy or Strand could get into like, 3:32/13:02 form they’d be dangerous at USAs.

For the down voter...and Martin(who I have been always a fan of) is not really even better than Langon from Nova who was two places back..same mile PR 4 secs faster at 3K and 2 at 5K. Langon who is 20 and 3 months is 3:56.24 7:43 and 13:28 all at 19 last winter and early Outdoor.

I agree about the comments about Gary Martin and his form in the last two kilometers of that NCAA race, yesterday, was pretty atrocious but I think part of it was due to the fact that he was really on the edge and absolutely extenuated meaning very very tired and that made his form even worse as he was rocking from side to side but on a good day Martin is so strong and could surprise many and I remember last year people were saying he could never place in an NCAA cross-country race but he proved them wrong.

What's Gary Martin ceiling? I'm thinking he should be between 1305 and 1310 for 5,000 meters in 2025. If Gary can get his 1500 meter time down to the 332 /333 range that will help him also immensely. I think at the age he's at right now it would be possibly counterproductive to try to change his form and I remember when Salazar changed Ritz's form, Ritz developed injuries.

I noticed that, too.

People don't want to say anything, but he ain't pretty. Nothing like Graham Blanks or Parker Wolfe, or any of those guys. Martin has lots of side-to-side motion and head jerking. He's not efficient.