Pulling in established East African runners seems like an ugly way to win.
New Mexico, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Arkansas are all teams that I have very little respect for. Especially 25 or 26 year olds competing.
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Pulling in established East African runners seems like an ugly way to win.
New Mexico, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Arkansas are all teams that I have very little respect for. Especially 25 or 26 year olds competing.
Their coaches get paid to win . They don't care about your respect. They care about bonuses.
yes when your family’s financial stability is dependent of your success don’t leave it up to a 18-19 high schooler to race twice the distance and faster to bring you that success.
Couldnt Agree More wrote:
yes when your family’s financial stability is dependent of your success don’t leave it up to a 18-19 high schooler to race twice the distance and faster to bring you that success.
Exactly. Best to have them take two years off after high school to rest and recover, then redshirt them, then medical redshirt them, then have them do two or three freshman years. And make sure that they are in a cupcake major at your clown college.
Leftist Larry wrote:
Pulling in established East African runners seems like an ugly way to win.
New Mexico, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Arkansas are all teams that I have very little respect for. Especially 25 or 26 year olds competing.
Then the NCAA needs to change the rules. Until that happens, these institutions and coaches are not at fault.
They may be better academics than your homegrown kids
Leftist Larry wrote:
Pulling in established East African runners seems like an ugly way to win.
New Mexico, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Arkansas are all teams that I have very little respect for. Especially 25 or 26 year olds competing.
what about international teams that have Europeans? Iona? Furman? Wisconsin has a lot. Nobody has a problem with Charles Hicks, or Morgan Mcdonald winning NCAA's. You just don't like the african internationals.
1. Hicks is a US citizen
2. Do you not see how someone like Mo Ahmed or Justyn Knight is different than having 6 of your top 7 be Kenyans?
No. I raced against many African internationals. I didn’t have to race against guys who had been out of HS for 7 years who have been racing internationally on the roads and pulling in paychecks. The guys I raced didn’t come in as 13:10 5k guys who supposedly “haven’t raced before”.
BYU is a good school. BYU guys take real majors, like earning masters degrees in economics. But the top American is Grant Fisher. He didn't do a mission. He attended Stanford. He majored in engineering. I guess you aren't too bright if you believe that skipping 2 years and taking am easy major makes guys faster.
jerry Lunder wrote:
BYU is a good school. BYU guys take real majors, like earning masters degrees in economics. But the top American is Grant Fisher. He didn't do a mission. He attended Stanford. He majored in engineering. I guess you aren't too bright if you believe that skipping 2 years and taking am easy major makes guys faster.
Lasse Viren ran for BYU.
BOPA wrote:
Then the NCAA needs to change the rules. Until that happens, these institutions and coaches are not at fault.
The rules should be a limit of 2 international runners per team and a maximum age of 24.
Leftist Larry wrote:
Pulling in established East African runners seems like an ugly way to win.
New Mexico, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Arkansas are all teams that I have very little respect for. Especially 25 or 26 year olds competing.
You didn’t mention Tulsa with its foreign talent of BYU with its overage runners.
Why?
It is how the system works, get over it. NCAA tennis is filled with internationals that take online classes and fly in for meets.
We have 26 year old QB’s in football on their 3rd or 4th team. There are no rules anymore, time to get fast
Can we also admit there is a HUGE difference in bringing in international runners at 18-19 vs. 25-26 year old Africans?
OP, you aren't the only one:
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Hard Limit: 24 years old. No further exceptions for red shirt, medical red shirt, COVID, mission year(s), grad school, being grandma's caretaker, pregnancy, clown college, or anything else.
It is not easier to win with foreigners. An equivalent foreigner requires a larger scholarship than for an American.