Grant Fisher/Shelby Houlihan disconnect?

B

These athletes are supplied custom prepared vitamin stacks (whether by Nike or an associated lab) that also unbeknownst to the athletes contain custom prepared microdoses of PEDs (including deca) lined up with their biological profiles.

The fateful batch with Shelby's dose got mixed up with a male athlete's dose (possibly Centro's since at the time they lived at the same address, which would mean Centro's dose at that time was too weak lol), and unfortunately the coats came calling while she was on that batch. That she readily agreed to the test that day indicates she wasn't knowingly glowing.

If the lid came off of what happened with Shelby and with this whole operation, Nike to put it lightly would be in serious legal hot water, and could bring down not just them but the entire sport. So Nike and their 3rd party associates had to work with Shelby (again unbeknownst to her) to keep it covered up while making it appear to her and everyone that they were helping with her appeal and investigation. Them "ruling out" her supplements as a trigger was total BS: They told her they had investigated and ruled them out when of course they did not (and for their purposes could not).

This.

The downvotes come from either people directly involved or those that are too misinformed/ stupid at this point to have figured it out.

Nike wants Americans to wins medals against the blatant unorganized cheaters. How do they do that once training is optimized (what was thought at that point in time)? You go with what will make these athletes faster at the precise scientific level.

It takes genetics to become a pro. It takes training to make a team. It takes other factors to medal.

My personal opinion is that it was e).

I believe 100% that Houlihan was doping, along with a couple of close teammates and they kept it a secret from others. You can read this document and draw your own conclusion, but I'd bet a significant sum of money that one of her teammates was doing the same thing and got away with it.

https://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/7977_Award__Reasoned___FINAL__for_publication.pdf

Plausible story. Also she may not have known she was being doped. Nike provides the vitamin pack and it is certified. Maybe she didn't check. Plausible doesn't help Shelby though.

The arbitration report ruled against her because she was unable to sufficiently explain how she tested positive, not because there was any proof that she knowingly took the nandrolone. Burden of proof to overturn is on the athlete. It's the opposite of a US criminal trial if you test positive in an arbitration hearing. Guilty until proven innocent. Those are the rules, tough luck for her. Doping ban stands, Shelby gets villainized by a bunch of keyboard warriors and has her dreams crushed.

Her defense was too focused on her "story", they should have sourced every type of meat at that food truck down to the farm. Might have been able to increase the likelihood of linking the burrito. They let the expert witness against them use basic stats of the US meat industry without factoring in that some random burrito truck may have been using abnormal meat purchasing habits.

Who at Nike is this? Nice try, buddy. Maybe update your resume and seek other employment.

If Shelby is knowingly doping she does not answer the door and readily agree to piss when the coats come visit her in December 2020 and she knows she's glowing.

It's well known that PEDs have side effects. I am hardly an expert on dosing levels and timing, but if you 'microdose' then presumably the idea is that you take enough of these small doses, over time, to have a 'macro' effect in total. But if that's true, you should also then have correspondingly 'macro' side effects, no? It seems implausible that you'd be able to conceal that from an athlete in the long term. That's to say nothing of the personal risk you as a coach or other support person would be taking if an athlete discovers that you've been drugging them without their consent. Forget just USADA getting involved, I think you could expect jail time for that. Not worth the risk for what you'd gain.

Not necessarily (but I like your Nike ref - probably rekrunner again, their go-to-PR-guy). I bet she was knowingly doping but

- either trusted her microdosing (the screw-up with Centro is a good possibility),

- or expected someone else at the door and didn't recognize the AIU tester,

- or already had 2 missed tests recently and therefore had to gamble.

And the answer is E (almost D) imo:
e) Most athletes on the team were in on it, took drugs, but only Houlihan tested positive.

This includes naturally all their top guys. I neither hate Houlihan nor Fisher, because they just did what all runners with global medal chances did.

I don’t understand how people are too stupid to downvote you without providing an argument. “These people seem to nice to do this”.

The truth is usually too brutal for people.

I’m surprised your posts haven’t been taken down yet, I’m gonna guess you have a direct connection to people involved in the mess up by Nike and Shelby. Because this is the best in depth explanation I’ve seen on this forum, over the years I’ve seen similar posts to this (yet the majority sheep refuse to believe).

someone should ask grant who his endrocrinologist is

Yes, that’s exactly why the pure, innocent Americans have been losing and not because of their inferiority to better and more talented athletes. Definitely the cheating

I believe she's innocentFWIW

Please provide your proof of this claim. It's easy to surmise and make assumptions. But do you truly "Know" this to be true? If so, please provide your proof. Thanks.

e) Houlihan and perhaps a few others knowingly took illegal supplements and people on the team kind of knew it -- some may have had direct knowledge, others may have heard rumors etc. But no one said anything about it to the outside world. Sort of like the high school football team where a few players take steroids. You won't find many people willing to snitch.

How are the smart people of letsrun so gullible? Microdosing stuff is literally the most common way for athletes to dope. And they usually take it at night and dose in such a manner that the morning doping control will not show anything. So in this case the dosage must have been a little too high for simple human error and that is why it was positive. Dosing exactly to the level that the substance clears your body overnight is standard microdosing protocol as doping testers rarely show up at 11 at night.

Scenario f)

Houlihan never tested positive or was setup by USADA because Centro was the one who actually tested positive but obviously you have to protect the legacy of the Olympic champ. This came right after they broke up so it would be an easy answer to throw Houlihan under the bus while centro gets off clean.