How fast would Bernard Lagat run in his prime with modern shoes and tracks?

3:24.5 if drafted with El G.

actually changed my mind. Closer to 3:23.75 if drafted on El G.

Yes, the old crew was THAT fast. Accept it.

Fast enough to leave Jakob in his dust

Brother, he was on epo

3:22-3:23 with same EPO dosage and super shoes

That’s ridiculous. When it comes to men’s world records, the new shoes and tracks have had minimal effect. You’re making the assumption that runners from the past were supermen.

With an EPO test or without?

It’s funny… i was commenting on one of those Jakob love-fest threads that Jakob’s 3:26-high with superspikes is closer to a 3:30 pre superspikes. It was like I was speaking blasphemy. But despite all the naive naysayers, I think the shoes are work 3+ seconds in the 1500m. I think if you look at the times in the Olympic final you might agree.

Well, Jakob ran 3:30 in Victories at like 17 or 18. So do people think he hasn't improved on his own merit in the last five years?

"Super" Spikes are not really that super. There's only so much technology you can put into a four ounce shoe. Throwing them on maybe helps the elites by a half second seconds per mile and 2-3 seconds for the average college runner.

Obviously the recovery is much better with a little more heel. So in that sense runners like Bekele who struggled with calf and achilles injuries may had run a lot faster because they would had been able to recover and put in more work.

That's only half of the story. The full story is that the very top slowed down after better EPO testing + the ABP introduction, and are now with much better tracks and spikes catching up again (e.g., we are seeing 1:41s and 3:26s and 12:30s again). So in essence, they are back to the status quo from 20 - 25 years ago.

That’s a good question, but how about Jim Ryun?

With a B-sample test

Yes, as I said in the other thread as well… he’s not improved that much since he was 17. Go ahead and downvote this if you want but if you really think the superspikes aren’t impacting times in the 1500m then you are incredibly naive.

Also see: woman’s 1500m final in Paris.

JR - today’s shoes and tracks ~ 3.26.76 ..without e.p.o.

He was also doping. He might run about the same times off the juice with model shoes/ better training

This ^

Yeah, but half of this forum does indeed think Jim Ryun could run 3:25 today and was a Superman.

Anyone who believes that Lagat was ever clean is an idiot.