He still finishes 4th, he was out of gas in the final straight. The only question is whether Hocker would have won if he had to swing wide instead of the rail opening up
He still finishes 4th, he was out of gas in the final straight. The only question is whether Hocker would have won if he had to swing wide instead of the rail opening up
Look, if Jakob blocked Hocker, Nuguse would have had even more motivation to chase both down, passing Kerr to win.
He still finishes 4th, he was out of gas in the final straight. The only question is whether Hocker would have won if he had to swing wide instead of the rail opening up
Look, if Jakob blocked Hocker, Nuguse would have had even more motivation to chase both down, passing Kerr to win.
He still finishes 4th, he was out of gas in the final straight. The only question is whether Hocker would have won if he had to swing wide instead of the rail opening up
Look, if Jakob blocked Hocker, Nuguse would have had even more motivation to chase both down, passing Kerr to win.
1. Nuguse. 2. Kerr. 3. Jakob. 4. Hocker
Hocker was the best runner in the race and deserved to win. It would have been a garbage move by Ingebrigtsen to try and block him.
Look, if Jakob blocked Hocker, Nuguse would have had even more motivation to chase both down, passing Kerr to win.
1. Nuguse. 2. Kerr. 3. Jakob. 4. Hocker
Hocker was the best runner in the race and deserved to win. It would have been a garbage move by Ingebrigtsen to try and block him.
Hahah my dude - this isn't what competitive running is, sorry. So if Jakob held simply held his ground in lane one at the front we he had earned by leading the whole damn race from the gun, your contention is that because Hocker was in far better shape just behind him, Jakob should have purposely moved aside out of courtesy and had he not it would have been a "garbage move"?
Man, the sh-t some people come up with here is the real entertainment of these boards.
It's an interesting what if and exposes the fragility of these moments. Because of what happened we clearly know Hocker was the best guy that day - but this also doesn't mean you are going to, or deserving of winning the race. The first race I thought about that had a similar situation was a very random one - Walker v Cram v Boit, Commonwealth Games 1500m final 1982
The positioning of those guys is almost identical to Jakob (Boit), Kerr (Cram) and Hocker (Walker) as they round into the straight with 90 to go. Watch what happens as Boit holds his line on Walker - he has no choice but to back out, nearly stumbles over his own feet doing so and under fatigue with such little distance to run he has no chance to re-accelerate. Walker wrote in his bio that this was one race in his career that really annoyed him the most because he felt like he was in the best shape to win it. He said he banked it all on Boit drifting wide and was shocked he didn't. Now if he was better than Cram or not and was going to beat him we don't know, but this is really what could have happened to Hocker.
Honestly if Jakob plants himself in the lane and Hocker can't get through, Kerr wins and then it's a toss up for silver. I think Hocker still gets it because Yared is in lane 3 and I think Hocker can split that gap and push him a fraction wider and hold him off. Hocker only wins by what, 3 feet? If he had to reverse out of his jam and reset with 50 to go there is simply no way he catches Kerr.
Oh and to answer the question, Jakob is still 4th.
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Hocker was the best runner in the race and deserved to win. It would have been a garbage move by Ingebrigtsen to try and block him.
Hahah my dude - this isn't what competitive running is, sorry. So if Jakob held simply held his ground in lane one at the front we he had earned by leading the whole damn race from the gun, your contention is that because Hocker was in far better shape just behind him, Jakob should have purposely moved aside out of courtesy and had he not it would have been a "garbage move"?
Man, the sh-t some people come up with here is the real entertainment of these boards.
It's an interesting what if and exposes the fragility of these moments. Because of what happened we clearly know Hocker was the best guy that day - but this also doesn't mean you are going to, or deserving of winning the race. The first race I thought about that had a similar situation was a very random one - Walker v Cram v Boit, Commonwealth Games 1500m final 1982
The positioning of those guys is almost identical to Jakob (Boit), Kerr (Cram) and Hocker (Walker) as they round into the straight with 90 to go. Watch what happens as Boit holds his line on Walker - he has no choice but to back out, nearly stumbles over his own feet doing so and under fatigue with such little distance to run he has no chance to re-accelerate. Walker wrote in his bio that this was one race in his career that really annoyed him the most because he felt like he was in the best shape to win it. He said he banked it all on Boit drifting wide and was shocked he didn't. Now if he was better than Cram or not and was going to beat him we don't know, but this is really what could have happened to Hocker.
Honestly if Jakob plants himself in the lane and Hocker can't get through, Kerr wins and then it's a toss up for silver. I think Hocker still gets it because Yared is in lane 3 and I think Hocker can split that gap and push him a fraction wider and hold him off. Hocker only wins by what, 3 feet? If he had to reverse out of his jam and reset with 50 to go there is simply no way he catches Kerr.
Oh and to answer the question, Jakob is still 4th.
This is actually a fantastic comparison to the 2024 OGs 1,500m. An example of what would have happened if Jakob hadn't swung outside- Kerr would have won.
So, Kerr (at least partly) was a factor in Jakob not winning, but Jakob was also a factor in Kerr not winning.
This is actually a fantastic comparison to the 2024 OGs 1,500m. An example of what would have happened if Jakob hadn't swung outside- Kerr would have won.
So, Kerr (at least partly) was a factor in Jakob not winning, but Jakob was also a factor in Kerr not winning.
It's pretty good right - that shot in particular at 1.06 which is exactly 100 to go is eerily identical to Paris.
I like the way you phrased that because it's 100% right. Jakob in particular was (ironically) a massive reason Kerr didn't win. If he holds his line Hocker does not win that race and Kerr does.
Excellent pull from the '82 games here - I agree with the assertion that kerr wins if Jakob stays in lane 1 and doesn't move out. hocker loses the initial jump and has to swing out, but I believe that he beats Naguse.
He still finishes 4th, he was out of gas in the final straight. The only question is whether Hocker would have won if he had to swing wide instead of the rail opening up
Ingy finishes 4th in every single scenario. From 110 meters out he was going backwards while each of the other easily passed and separated from him. Even Kessler and Laros closed the final 100 faster than Ingy. If Hocker was completely unimpeded there's a good chance he would've gone under 3:27 too. Except for completely knocking Hocker off his stride, there was absolutely no chance that Ingy could out kick Hocker over the final 100 in this race. Also. If this race was 1501 meters long, Nuguse nips Kerr for Silver.
This is a dumb question. Ingebrightsen wins the vast majority of times. He has the fastest PR. Changing any factor in a race that he lost would only increase his chance of winning. He should have never led. Dumb strategy. He then gave up with 100 to go. That won't happen again. He will never lose to any of those 3 again but he will lose to Kessler.
I'll bite. Hocker is full of running on the inside but he has nowhere to go. He's stuck there if Jakob doesn't move out to cover Kerr. Nowhere to go. And that Gives Kerr a truer run to the line but it also gives Nuguse a better line- who was running faster than anyone else at the end. My 'fictional' result; Nuguse/Kerr/Jakob/Hocker. But, given how the race unfolded in reality Hocker was the best man on the day. He held his nerve, reacted well when the opportunity presented itself and deserved the win.
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He would have finished 4th. Kerr was beating him and he knew it. He saw Hocker come up on the inside and closed him down (smart move). Hocker fell in directly behind so he could go either direction when something opened up and moved as soon as it did. Had Jingy stayed left, Hocker would have squeezed between him an Kerr and still won with his superior speed. Kerr was faster and Neguse went by on the outside too. 4th.
Hocker doesnt medal without lane 1. Blocking Kerr pushing him outwas plan A; letting Hocker through gave him 4m, that was plan B. Ask yourself:If Kerr wins gold, is anybody still insisting the best 1500 runner is from Norway?