Why take a chance of being out kicked when both are slower than Josh at 800m but Hicham was much slower than his opponents at 800m. Why haven't ANYONE tried training to emulate Hicham's long drive slowly increasing the pace from 800 to 1000m out til everyone lets go.
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Jacob (1:47 800m pb 2020) more than anyone needs to start employing this tactic. He has the endurance and if you going to front run do what the two best (Hicham and Almaz) ever do, grind from way out til everyone lets go
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Watch euros 1500 2024
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Isn’t Jakob the reigning Olympic 1500m Champion and didn’t Hicham lose the first two times he made an Olympic 1500m final?
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Jacob (1:47 800m pb 2020) more than anyone needs to start employing this tactic. He has the endurance and if you going to front run do what the two best (Hicham and Almaz) ever do, grind from way out til everyone lets go
Loling hard at you calling Almaz Ayana the best ever in light of the current crop of women we are witnessing
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Jakob did this exact tactic in Euroes a month ago and it worked extremely well
Hicham didn't do this tactic in '96 or '00 and he lost. He did this tactic in '04 and he won
Basically, yes. Jakob should 100% do this tactic. He has the same skillset as El G (2k/3k guy who happens to run the mile; doesn't have the best 800 speed but can out-strength his opponents for the win) and should employ the same tactic 100% this Olympics if he wants to beat Kerr.
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Starr wrote:
Isn’t Jakob the reigning Olympic 1500m Champion and didn’t Hicham lose the first two times he made an Olympic 1500m final?
Doesn’t Jakob have a meager 1-4 record in global championship 1500 finals, and didn’t Hicham have a stellar 7-3 record in global championship 1500 finals?
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And in the 5k? Whats both of their stats?
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Look at the thread title and the OP’s comment. This thread is about the 1500.
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Stat Keeper wrote:
Doesn’t Jakob have a meager 1-4 record in global championship 1500 finals, and didn’t Hicham have a stellar 7-3 record in global championship 1500 finals?
More nuance to it. ‘95 Morceli smoked him with no pacer. ‘96 he falls with no pacer. ‘97 he won not running from the front until the last lap-plus. ‘99 he was spooked by Ngeny stalking him in his mile WR. He went with a pacer and ran a ridiculous 3:27CR. ‘00 tried the same thing but badly paced by his compatriot and Ngeny got him. ‘01 his pacer does a great job with no Ngeny and he wins easily. 03 and ‘04 he abandons the pacer and wins with a long run from home. Seems like 5-3 (2-1 with pacer, 3-2 without) to 1-3 and Jakob has tried a tougher tactic that maybe yes he should abandon.
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You forgot indoor. Hicham was 7-3 and Jakob is 1-4.
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snowflakes wrote:
And in the 5k? Whats both of their stats?
Jakob has two golds in global finals, El G has a gold and a silver. What does that have to do with 1500 strategy?
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You forgot indoor. Hicham was 7-3 and Jakob is 1-4.
He faced shockingly weak comp in those whereas Jakob faced good guys in his one crack at it. Not gonna count that. Jakobs European wins are more impressive.
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
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You forgot indoor. Hicham was 7-3 and Jakob is 1-4.
He faced shockingly weak comp in those whereas Jakob faced good guys in his one crack at it. Not gonna count that. Jakobs European wins are more impressive.
You don’t get to decide which global championships count and which ones don’t. Hicham was 7-3 and Jakob is 1-4.
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VIPAM wrote:
Why take a chance of being out kicked when both are slower than Josh at 800m but Hicham was much slower than his opponents at 800m. Why haven't ANYONE tried training to emulate Hicham's long drive slowly increasing the pace from 800 to 1000m out til everyone lets go.
800 speed = kicking ability is one of the biggest fallacies there is. I'm surprised that you, of all people, don't know this?
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nobody counts indoor dude... because nobody cares
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Jacob (1:47 800m pb 2020) more than anyone needs to start employing this tactic. He has the endurance and if you going to front run do what the two best (Hicham and Almaz) ever do, grind from way out til everyone lets go
Your two first words here contains two errors. -A bad start for building a reasoning…
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VIPAM wrote:
Why take a chance of being out kicked when both are slower than Josh at 800m but Hicham was much slower than his opponents at 800m. Why haven't ANYONE tried training to emulate Hicham's long drive slowly increasing the pace from 800 to 1000m out til everyone lets go.
We don’t know how fast current Josh is in an all out 800m, and we don’t know how fast current Jakob is in an all out 800m, so your premises are somewhat speculative… “Hicham was much slower than his opponents at 800m” -I wonder if Salvitore will spank you a little here…
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Jacob (1:47 800m pb 2020) more than anyone needs to start employing this tactic. He has the endurance and if you going to front run do what the two best (Hicham and Almaz) ever do, grind from way out til everyone lets go
Loling hard at you calling Almaz Ayana the best ever in light of the current crop of women we are witnessing
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My apologies it went over your head, I was saying Almaz was the best at grinding out a pace from dsr out til everyone lets go. She even did it to at Worlds 5000m when Genzebe Dibaba was (1500m WR and and 2nd fastest ever at 5000m). Almaz simply increased the pace every lap til she ran an 8:20 last 3000m and Dibaba cracked. Hicham did the same thing...in their prime they both won their championships GOLDS employing the same strategy. Make them let go before the last lap..
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