Holy shi*: Bryce Hoppel we have a problem. Sedjati 1:41.56 leads three under 1:42 in Paris DL 800!!

Truly, a travesty.

Are you serious ?!

1:41.56 - Sedjatp
1:41.58 - Wanyoni
1:41.61 - Tual

Tual's pb was 1:43.99 going in.

6th place was 1:42.43!!

That's 2 1:41's back to back for Wanyoni.

He went out about .25 second too fast.

He has the tools to the get the WR.

Sedjati we know has the best kick.

Hoppel and Arop need to get in these races.

Hoppel would have run 1:41 today.

Damn! Hopple needs to bring his A+ game to compete with that

Hopefully they all peaked too early or are off-cycle by the time Paris comes. Hoppel is a smart racer and he might still sneak in the bronze, but I feel like the top guys are all mid-high 1:41s

Whats the problem?

Merge the 6 different threads please

Too bad our guys weren't in the race! That is what can happen when you get a super fast pacer (48.8) and field. Multiple guys had two second pr's. Elliott Crestan is now a low 1:42 guy. What? And we kind of see that Wanyonyi couldn't run much faster with a pacer and competition than he did on his own in Kenya. Sedjati had shown he had a ton left in the tank in 1:43ish races. Hard to believe he is running mid-1:41 now. Maybe it's not only the effect of fast pacing and a willing field, as well as doping, but also maybe the shoe companies have produced magic spikes that work for the 800m, because a ton of guys hammered this one.

I thought it was proven here at LR that positive splits do not work?! I guess if they had gone out in 52 that they would surely have gone under 1.40.

Tual hadn't broken 1:44 before this year and he's 26. Can wavelights/pacing really account for THAT much of a jump? (Especially since he had them last year)

This is proof the 800m is usually ran too conservatively.

The problem is the shoes.

Hoppel runs alone domestically. He's capable of faster than 1:42.7 against international competition this year.

I will say I was reluctant to admit superspikes had an effect sub-1500m

Thought the glut of 1:43s and occasional 1:42 meant talent was the limiter

But considering the signs from the US high school ranks (not the best data, but here's a set to compare year-over-year) -- the sheer number of sub-1:50s is absolutely skyrocketing just like sub-4:05 miles and sub-8:50 two miles

Expecting the 1:41 club to expand some more this decade

The problem is the site owner likes to troll his own website with tabloidish threads.

It's an Olympic year. Athletes taking more risks in terms of drugs/training.

I'm going to suspend my belief in some of these...

Eg. Azedinne Habz, PR at age 27: 1:49, 3:38. Age 30 runs 1:43.7.

8 of the 10 athletes in the race all set PBs. Wow!