Yet another finish where he went from 8th to near 1st (letting up because he easily qualified) with a massive kick over the final 100. Considering that the NCAA doesn't drug test at all, does anyone believe he went from 1:53 (1:48) to 1:44 in a year legitimately?
He's exciting to watch race. I'm rooting for him.
He is clean, crazy to beleive i guess but to be fair he went to undergrad in at UT where all they do is drink and drink more so he prolly just got sober and now hes a beast.
He ran 1:48 two years ago, not one year, and has run 1:44.9 so roughly 3-3.5 seconds drop in two years which isn’t improbable. Oh yeah and he transferred to a top tier D1 program in Virginia who has a history of good 800 runners
BroWhat1 wrote:
He ran 1:48 two years ago, not one year, and has run 1:44.9 so roughly 3-3.5 seconds drop in two years which isn’t improbable. Oh yeah and he transferred to a top tier D1 program in Virginia who has a history of good 800 runners
Not improbable by any stretch but the consistency is what is alarming. He had a one-off 1:48 at Tampa and has been clicking off 1:45s and 1:46s in back-to-back days like it's nothing. His indoor season was also unimpressive (1:49 pr), and when he ran back to back days, he went 1:49 low (pr) then 1:51.9 the next day. Also couldn't make the ACC final (hardest conference to make the final but if you then become the NCAA champ that's child's play). Lets not forget Saruni got away with doping in the NCAA so there's ways to not get popped by the test they make the winners take
He's cute so I forgive him if he's dirty.
Probably and definitely not cute ew
walks like a duck, quacks like a duck... wrote:
Yet another finish where he went from 8th to near 1st (letting up because he easily qualified) with a massive kick over the final 100. Considering that the NCAA doesn't drug test at all, does anyone believe he went from 1:53 (1:48) to 1:44 in a year legitimately?
Vin as his coach to boot. Fishy.
I posted on an earlier thread after his 1:44-high performance and last to first charge in the final 150m. I don't believe he is clean.
walks like a duck, quacks like a duck... wrote:
Yet another finish where he went from 8th to near 1st (letting up because he easily qualified) with a massive kick over the final 100. Considering that the NCAA doesn't drug test at all, does anyone believe he went from 1:53 (1:48) to 1:44 in a year legitimately?
No. Everyone is on drugs. Even the half drugs work. It ruined it for me when running became psychology- you just had to brainwash slow runners that their thyroids are bad and they will take anything- ruined it for me watching my old teammate start on synthroid and they went from a fffing 16:50 5k freshman year of college and fffing 4:36 mile down to 14:30 and then worse qualifiying for the Olympic trials.
literally kids in highschool who crushed this prissy and went full ride to D1 schools- get beat by the same idiot years later cuz he’s ok “thyroid”
Ruined it for the sport. I used to think a 2:16 marathon was cool until I reaLizes all the fffijg losers take drugs to run that. Ick
walks like a duck, quacks like a duck... wrote:
Yet another finish where he went from 8th to near 1st (letting up because he easily qualified) with a massive kick over the final 100. Considering that the NCAA doesn't drug test at all, does anyone believe he went from 1:53 (1:48) to 1:44 in a year legitimately?
He would have ran 1.43 in that race,had he not almost tripped. Too big an improvement to be true.
walks like a duck, quacks like a duck... wrote:
Yet another finish where he went from 8th to near 1st (letting up because he easily qualified) with a massive kick over the final 100. Considering that the NCAA doesn't drug test at all, does anyone believe he went from 1:53 (1:48) to 1:44 in a year legitimately?
Uhhhhhh the NCAA does drug test
You can't just level drug accusations every time a collegian improves. It is not as if he drops a 1:41 at "18" or anything; he barely broke 1:45 at UVA. His time was not one of the best all time. There are many guys who run 1:45-46 in college. But he has real talent. This is a guy who ran 11.74 and 4:30s in high school while hardly training. He then ran 22 and 48 without knowing how to start from blocks. He ran 1:48 twice at UT. The following xc season, he dropped a ton of time on 50 miles per week for the first time and broke 25 for 8k. So, a guy who has excellent basic speed for an 800m runner markedly increases his mileage for the first time and suddenly has very good endurance for an 800m runner, is going to run 1:45-46 that year. Unfortunately, he was running in the xc postseason on a stress fracture (he does not quit) and that put him out for most of the track season at Tampa last year. In other words, he was already going to run 1:45-46 last year, so when he did it this year it was not a surprise at all to his coaches. It's that mileage that is allowing him to use his natural speed at the end of races, because he's not as tired as these 15-30 mpw 800m guys.
zxcvzxcv wrote:
You can't just level drug accusations every time a collegian improves. It is not as if he drops a 1:41 at "18" or anything; he barely broke 1:45 at UVA. His time was not one of the best all time. There are many guys who run 1:45-46 in college. But he has real talent. This is a guy who ran 11.74 and 4:30s in high school while hardly training. He then ran 22 and 48 without knowing how to start from blocks. He ran 1:48 twice at UT. The following xc season, he dropped a ton of time on 50 miles per week for the first time and broke 25 for 8k. So, a guy who has excellent basic speed for an 800m runner markedly increases his mileage for the first time and suddenly has very good endurance for an 800m runner, is going to run 1:45-46 that year. Unfortunately, he was running in the xc postseason on a stress fracture (he does not quit) and that put him out for most of the track season at Tampa last year. In other words, he was already going to run 1:45-46 last year, so when he did it this year it was not a surprise at all to his coaches. It's that mileage that is allowing him to use his natural speed at the end of races, because he's not as tired as these 15-30 mpw 800m guys.
It's not that he 'barely broke 1:45', it's the way he did it
Look at how Makhloufi and Sedjati finish 800s, or look at how Katir would finish in the final 100. That's him
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