That is what this entire place is. That is what I was saying. You are always the last to catch up - although I would exempt you from being any kind of expert.
You are absolutely wrong there. But your arrogance is telling.
On Letsrun you have former elite runners, like Salvitore Stitchmo or malmo. You have a famous coach, like Renato Canova. Poster "coahc" has had athletes run in World Championships (at least one that I can remember, in Aarhus). I coached an athlete who got a bronze medal at continental level back in the 1990s. David Katz, who measures/certifies road race courses, he posts often too.
So yes, you have knowledgeable people posting here, and you have armchair experts, like you.
Your words like bitter tea, not sweet like honey. Kenyan runners, they like mountain lion, strong, proud. To say all doped, like say all flower same color. Not true.
Yes, some bad apples in every basket. But many Kenyan runners, they train hard, live simple life. They run from heart, not from needle.
World not black and white, but many shades of gray. Don't judge all by few. Keep open mind, like open hand. Learn, listen, then decide.
Your words like bitter tea, not sweet like honey. Kenyan runners, they like mountain lion, strong, proud. To say all doped, like say all flower same color. Not true.
Yes, some bad apples in every basket. But many Kenyan runners, they train hard, live simple life. They run from heart, not from needle.
World not black and white, but many shades of gray. Don't judge all by few. Keep open mind, like open hand. Learn, listen, then decide.
And miraculously he got healthy again in order to destroy the 5000m field. Riiiight.
No, he wasn’t healthy in that 5000m race -he was dizzy all day, and one could clearly see that from how passive he ran. And he didn’t destroy the field; he barely beat 12.45 man Katir. Jakob got lucky in that race -a lot of the best were very off for multiple reasons…
DSM / ICD are the official psychologically manuals to read about these things, among others.
But here comes a little “active aggressive” schooling and paraphrasing from me about the matter:” Passive aggressive” has gotten it’s name and content from the fact that people with this trait are afraid of showing their aggression openly, especially in front of authorities or even to ordinary people who can retaliate. So most of the aggression remains hidden, or taken out delayed in less demanding situations, or inwards -the point is that people with this problem remains passive when they should try to find means to act out their aggression in an instant and inharmful and smart and effective manner.
Jakob is one of the least passive aggressive people I know of -even as a young teenager he stood up (very outspoken) against Cram and Coe, and their views on his training. And 2023 was an active aggressive boost from Jakob in so many ways. -He doesn’t need help to get his aggression and dominance out at all. He just needs to find the best ways to be “active aggressive” without hurting himself or others (finding the right words, when to speak, and when to not, and so on..).
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I am amazed at the number of fans of the sport who don't understand sportsmanship, which is that you don't say anything to reduce a competitor's win over you, even if you think there were reasons for your loss. It always looks like sour grapes - and doesn't show respect for those who beat you, because you're still trying to say you're better than they are. History will decide that, not your wounded ego - and Ingebrigtsen has plenty of that.
But what looks even worse for Ingebrigtsen is that his excuses ring hollow - he was beaten by the better man on the day. Twice.
You are making this far far more negative than it has to be…
Every outspoken person says some stupid things -that goes for you, and me, and the athletes, and even deep philosophers and artists. It’s just part of being human…
The less one talks the less stupid things come out of the mouth. But Jakob has chosen to talk a lot -therefore he will automatically be in danger of saying something “wrong” -much more than a silent athlete…
And it doesn’t get better when Jakob like to school other athletes (f.ex the guys in the “coffee club” about how to train with less injury risk), and launch his great visions about his own career, and also has a way of thinking about himself as the best even in his weaker moments…
I think it’s unfair to entangle everything Jakob is, and let every part be coloured by the parts we feel a need to criticise. So here is my suggestion to an “untanglement”:
1. Yes, I think you are right in the use of “disrespect” (of other athletes), but only in a couple of sayings: He could have skipped his words about “I’m better than Wightman”, and he could have been more sensitive when Kerr came in the unfortunate situation that the favourite he beat was sick (not Kerr’s fault!)…
2. The rest of Jakob’s sayings are OK in my ears, especially given the context. And his “ I’m going for a goal of being the best athlete ever” is totally OK to me (why on earth should this be condescending or disrespectful to any? Should Bolt feel disrespected..!?). -IMO this is just entertaining -if he accomplishes (some of) his mission: good for him and his fans. If not: likely entertaining - a lot would like to see him eat crow..!
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I am amazed at the number of fans of the sport who don't understand sportsmanship, which is that you don't say anything to reduce a competitor's win over you, even if you think there were reasons for your loss. It always looks like sour grapes - and doesn't show respect for those who beat you, because you're still trying to say you're better than they are. History will decide that, not your wounded ego - and Ingebrigtsen has plenty of that.
But what looks even worse for Ingebrigtsen is that his excuses ring hollow - he was beaten by the better man on the day. Twice.
You are making this far far more negative than it has to be…
Every outspoken person says some stupid things -that goes for you, and me, and the athletes, and even deep philosophers and artists. It’s just part of being human…
The less one talks the less stupid things come out of the mouth. But Jakob has chosen to talk a lot -therefore he will automatically be in danger of saying something “wrong” -much more than a silent athlete…
And it doesn’t get better when Jakob like to school other athletes (f.ex the guys in the “coffee club” about how to train with less injury risk), and launch his great visions about his own career, and also has a way of thinking about himself as the best even in his weaker moments…
I think it’s unfair to entangle everything Jakob is, and let every part be coloured by the parts we feel a need to criticise. So here is my suggestion to an “untanglement”:
1. Yes, I think you are right in the use of “disrespect” (of other athletes), but only in a couple of sayings: He could have skipped his words about “I’m better than Wightman”, and he could have been more sensitive when Kerr came in the unfortunate situation that the favourite he beat was sick (not Kerr’s fault!)…
2. The rest of Jakob’s sayings are OK in my ears, especially given the context. And his “ I’m going for a goal of being the best athlete ever” is totally OK to me (why on earth should this be condescending or disrespectful to any? Should Bolt feel disrespected..!?). -IMO this is just entertaining -if he accomplishes (some of) his mission: good for him and his fans. If not: likely entertaining - a lot would like to see him eat crow..!
It is your call if you think Jakob has said something stupid but what he says is also indicative of his character, especially as he has made these kinds of comments more than once. At the very least, he is a big-head. But nor does he show much respect for his competitors.
It was easily missed. But commenting on me obviously matters more to you.
Your need for validation is telling. I feel sorry for you. I wish you find peace.
What a pompous tw*t you are. You don't wish me peace - which I don't require - but you continue to show the only subject you wish to discuss here is me. No one else seems to need that.
That is what this entire place is. That is what I was saying. You are always the last to catch up - although I would exempt you from being any kind of expert.
You are absolutely wrong there. But your arrogance is telling.
On Letsrun you have former elite runners, like Salvitore Stitchmo or malmo. You have a famous coach, like Renato Canova. Poster "coahc" has had athletes run in World Championships (at least one that I can remember, in Aarhus). I coached an athlete who got a bronze medal at continental level back in the 1990s. David Katz, who measures/certifies road race courses, he posts often too.
So yes, you have knowledgeable people posting here, and you have armchair experts, like you.
I judge the quality of what I read by its content and how it is expressed, not by who says it.
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