I currently love my Saucony's but don't know that much about the SES4. I'm more of a comfort but also needs to be very light type of shoe guy. So is it worth it? I'm trying to break 15:30 next year and I need to make a huge improvement so is the time now to go all in?
The speed 4 is a good shoe. However, I still consider V2 to be faster, more fun and versatile. If you can find those on closeout, a better option.
If you want a non plated shoe at a little better price point, go Mach 6. It isn’t quite as aggressive, but works at all paces and is vastly superior to prior iterations.
The Speed 3 was much better than 4. Even though the 3 might not feel as responsive as the 2, Saucony tried to change too much on the Speed 4. It feels like completely nerfed and it even got heavier, there's a nice chunk of foam in the heel.
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The speed 4 is a good shoe. However, I still consider V2 to be faster, more fun and versatile. If you can find those on closeout, a better option.
If you want a non plated shoe at a little better price point, go Mach 6. It isn’t quite as aggressive, but works at all paces and is vastly superior to prior iterations.
Have not tried 4s but 2s are my favorite so far.
2s were my absolute favourite- I had a couple of pairs. Hate the 3s so much that I can’t wear them. Can’t find 2s anywhere for sale.
I’m eyeing up the 4s as one review said they were more similar to the 2s but do not want to make another expensive mistake.
Woke is when you run a slow marathon. And the slower the marathon the more woke you are.
I loved the 3s, but the 4s hurt my feet a lot. I think it depends on your foot. People who liked the 2s tend to like the 4s, but not so much the 3s. The 3s feel a bit softer to me, and that works better for my feet.
Count me as a runner who prefers the 4 over the 3s. Having never ran in this line of shoes before going through a pair of the 3s, I definitely enjoy the 4s a lot more. There was something about the 3s that felt way too unstable in the heel area - like I was going to roll my ankle hard going around a turn if I wasn't prepared.
I think this is correct. The 3s were too soft for me and I like a firmer shoe.
boomheadshot wrote:
Count me as a runner who prefers the 4 over the 3s. Having never ran in this line of shoes before going through a pair of the 3s, I definitely enjoy the 4s a lot more. There was something about the 3s that felt way too unstable in the heel area - like I was going to roll my ankle hard going around a turn if I wasn't prepared.
I felt they were really unstable too. I just couldn’t get on with them.
Get the saucony pro 3's on sale much better than speed 3 or 4. I run in the speed 3 and its fine as a daily trainer and tempo shoe but lacks a little in responsiveness, gets a bit soft after an hour running. Raced in Pro 3 and its much better at faster paces, more pop and its more cushioned for longer runs.
Steve
Disregard the saucony and go with the NB Rebel v4. Great workout shoe.
Do you find the Mach 6 a better replacement to the Speed 2 than the Speed 4?
A couple weeks into owning the Endorphin 4s I would have absolutely written a raving review describing them...today I'm debating throwing them away.
I absolutely loved my Endorphin 2s and having owned multiple pairs, I wanted an upgrade. My times improved and my form was solid, but at the cost of giving me ITBS. It's up to you, but I'd say to steer clear of these shoes.
Endorphin Speed 1/2 were GOATed. I absolutely despise the business model of f*cking with a shoe every year
Saucony is dead to me wrote:
Endorphin Speed 1/2 were GOATed. I absolutely despise the business model of f*cking with a shoe every year
You’d think they’d be inclined to take the lazy route and just change the color schemes…
Let's just get one thing straight. The shoes didn't give you ITBS
Speed 1 and 2 had the carbon plate.
We are still buying the later versions of the shoe for fit and light weight cushioning but later versions don't have the carbon plate. It was never explained why versions 3 & 4 don't have the carbon plate. The performance of the shoe is not the same w/o the carbon plate.
Snavely wrote:
Speed 1 and 2 had the carbon plate.
We are still buying the later versions of the shoe for fit and light weight cushioning but later versions don't have the carbon plate. It was never explained why versions 3 & 4 don't have the carbon plate. The performance of the shoe is not the same w/o the carbon plate.
No, they didn´t. All versions have a nylon plate. Quit writing nonsense!
I have version 3. It's OK.
I would consider the kinvara or takumi sen.