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Bests of 14:45 and 29:55 (km) as well as 1:02:24.
Because his legs are still relatively fresh, we could still see improvement in next few years
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Ghost1 wrote:
Bests of 14:45 and 29:55 (km) as well as 1:02:24.
Because his legs are still relatively fresh, we could still see improvement in next few years
Sounds like he found EPO.
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Ghost only ever posts about the 1st white guy. 6 faster men than him today but he doesnt mention them at all.
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Is he the best marathoner in Switzerland right now?
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jdjdjejr wrote:
Ghost only ever posts about the 1st white guy. 6 faster men than him today but he doesnt mention them at all.
He shouldn't be notable not for being the first white guy. But he should be notable for being the current top ranked athlete in a different sport. He's an 8-time World Champion and 6-time overall World Cup champion with 25 World Cup victories in orienteering.
Current ranking is #1
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There are precedents for orienteering studs being good runners. The most notable is Anders Gärderud winning gold in a world record time at the '76 Olympics. More recently a lot of orienteers are among the top current trail runners.
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an orienteer wrote:
There are precedents for orienteering studs being good runners. The most notable is Anders Gärderud winning gold in a world record time at the '76 Olympics. More recently a lot of orienteers are among the top current trail runners.
*forgot to say which event. It was the steeplechase in 8:08.xx WR.
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an orienteer wrote:
There are precedents for orienteering studs being good runners. The most notable is Anders Gärderud winning gold in a world record time at the '76 Olympics. More recently a lot of orienteers are among the top current trail runners.
There definitely are precedents and the other two best examples I can think of are also Scandinavians, Kjell Erik Stahl and Carsten Jorgensen. Peter Snell took to orienteering in his later years.
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Great link. Thanks.
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Remarkable how rapidly this guy was able to run 2:07:44, a time faster than Ritz (12:56/27:22) ever managed, and would be high up on the American list, despite low distance pr's of nowhere close to other top runners. Clearly, he had a strong base from orienteering and he has a lot of talent! His coach, Viktor Roethlin, also ran fast in the marathon despite relatively slow lower distance pr's, 13:40/28:22/1:02, and ran 2:08 several years as well as a pr of 2:07:23, and won bronze in the World Champs marathon in Osaka in 2007.
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How do they stop orienteers from A) doping and B) cheating with smuggled GPS devices?
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LarsL11 wrote:
Is he the best marathoner in Switzerland right now?
Nope, Tadesse Abraham (age 41, turns 42 in August) ran 2:05:10 in Berlin, September 2023, and then repeated with 2:05:01 last month in Barcelona. Monster, who does a lot of base training in Iten, Kenya. Dude's an ageing beast with good muscle tone.
This should have been Wanders' trajectory, but sadly the slender (fragile) ectomorph could not concretize.
Kyburz, on the other hand, has good muscle tone etc...lifts heavy twice a week, etc.
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https://sportscience.sportsci.org/news/news9701/orient.html
Nobody's mentioned this but the mental demands of orienteering probably require a certain level of moderate to high IQ....assessing terrain, trajectories etc ...you're not just running in a vacuum...
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Athletic boffins.
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Megan Keith has an orienteering background also.
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zcxvzcvx wrote:
Remarkable how rapidly this guy was able to run 2:07:44, a time faster than Ritz (12:56/27:22) ever managed, and would be high up on the American list, despite low distance pr's of nowhere close to other top runners. Clearly, he had a strong base from orienteering and he has a lot of talent! His coach, Viktor Roethlin, also ran fast in the marathon despite relatively slow lower distance pr's, 13:40/28:22/1:02, and ran 2:08 several years as well as a pr of 2:07:23, and won bronze in the World Champs marathon in Osaka in 2007.
Europeans are very smart and dedicated.
Professional athletes emphasize recovery.
Only the hardest workers succeed.
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Ghost1 wrote:
Athletic boffins.
Carsten Jorgensen, Former champion Orienteer, Euro cross champion, 1997, and still competing as a master. Moved to New Zealand a few years ago. He might have gained citizenship.
Only caveat: I was shocked to see how hunched up Jorgensen looks these days but he has always been somewhat different in his running style bearing in mind that he's around 1 meter 90 tall which is around 6 foot 4. If I'm wrong on the height dimensions I stand corrected. I'm guessing these numbers from a visual perspective.
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Just watching that European cross country championship in 1997 and I had forgotten about some of those protagonists at the time and the results surprisingly was 1.Jorgensen (Denmark), 2.Nyberg (Sweden), 3. Lebid (Ukraine), 4. Essaid (France), followed by a bunch of Spaniards and Portuguese including the famous Castro twins.
This was an absolutely brutal hilly switchback course with constant hills in which the strong men dominated.
Can coach the wizard provide us some information about Nyberg and his career?
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