Do doctors in UK not make bank? UK Olympic marathoner Phil Sesemann may give up being a doc to run marathons as a pro

Bernie style healthcare (worse than Obamacare) = lousy doctor wages

In other words, doctors unions can’t make it more difficult to become doctors causing prices to raise.

terrible, I know

You know in other countries health care is considered a right, not a for-profit industry like it is in the U.S. They get paid, but nothing like they do in the U.S. Patients, insurers, and society as a whole end up paying for U.S. doctors high salaries.

UK Med school is 1/6th of the cost in the US

I know it's hard for a lot of you Americans to understand, but it turns out that some people choose careers that they actually enjoy, rather than simply trying to make as much money as possible.

Also, he can always return to being a doctor once his professional running career is over.

Obviously it massively depends on the field you work in and your experience but the average salary for a UK doctor is ~$75,000

It's not an NHS thing, the UK has really poor wages. Nominal pay is about the same as it was twenty years ago.

Britain feels like it's frozen in time in around 2006, Brits don't seem to realise though.

He has been a full time athlete for a while now (a couple of years I think) and before that worked part time. He is prioritising running because he loves it and doing it while he is young enough. Some people are not just about the money. Cost of tuition for UK doctors is about £9,250 a year. Living costs are also lower here.

I have a good friend that was making major bank dealing drugs while in HS. I can’t believe that he gave it up to go to College.
Why would he possibly try to go do something that he might enjoy and give up dollars?

The UK is in a steep decline. Bad economy, outside of London everything is boarded up and falling apart. Trash everywhere. People getting by on scraps because there are no jobs. The Royal Navy can't even keep a single aircraft carrier functioning. The Royal family is a joke. The food is terrible. I could go on and on.

You cant be so dense and U.S.-centric that you've been completely blind to one of the biggest issues in the UK for the past few decades. Under-pay, over-working, limited/cancelled time-off for medical professionals, shortage of staff, low/no pay-rises and endless calls for strikes.. it's been one of the most prominent issues for as long as I can remember.

Next you'll be asking if France is tolerant of different religions...

14 years of incompetent right wing governance.

You were lucky to boot out that last guy after 4, but it looks like you're going to be stupid enough to bring him back.

Ah but they very often can be. Blanket statement on my part but for all the terrible gaps in NHS ( largely self inflicted as we Brits have innate opposition to higher taxes) I'd rather have our system than the USAs on this. USA has reducing life expectancy atm which is not a great endorsement. I digress from Dr Sesemann though. Splendid runner and fellow by all accounts

If only every place had Democrat governance like Baltimore and Chicago!

And that's why European countries aren't the powerhouses they were 100 years ago. The UK used to be the? global power not even 100 years ago, now they're pretty far down the line.

It's all fine and dandy to work less and have a good life, but you do fall behind others who are working harder. So your future generations might not be in a great spot. You've lived through your silk slipper generations, now the hard times could be coming once India/China/Korea continue moving forward and take control as the global powers and dictate what happens elsewhere.

Everything I know about England comes from Guy Ritchie movies:

This is true and it looks like the Conservative Party are facing an extinction level event at the next election.

Important to clarify it isn't just incompetence, it's their ideology that has failed. We've had the greatest hits of conservative policy - spending cuts, privatisation, Brexit/isolationism, tax cuts, migrant deportation and culture war BS.

We have lower corporation tax than California and Japan, yet high-tech high-wage jobs they have are still non existent here.

The NHS in Britain is in a diabolical state with massive waiting list, staffing shortages, gross mismanagement, huge pressure on doctors...

I wouldn't blame him, doctors are leaving in droves to move abroad.

Year on year Conservative cuts.

Many lower level NHS roles (cleaning etc) were filled by migrant work, staff shortages.

The care system, which is vital for freeing beds is knackered, massive staffing issues. (Migrant work again) Poor wages, #### job.

Many people who voted to decimate the NHS, are the first to complain about it, and now (at my work) switch to private health care.

It will, obviously, all be heaped on boat people, which is weird as I've never seen a single asylum seeker at my local doctors surgery.

Most European countries pay practically nothing in military expenses because the freeloading bums expect the US to come to their rescue in the event of a war. The US taxpayer indirectly subsidizes the European welfare state through NATO. Get the US out of NATO and the cradle-to-grave house of cards will fall apart overnight.

Not Guy Ritchie, but data nonetheless:

https://www.gmc-uk.org/-/media/documents/migration-decisions-research-report_pdf-94525731.pdf