Drew Griffith - 8:34.91 2-mile HS indoor Record

Worth about 8:55 in 2000s shoes, but I suppose he should treat himself.

That seems excessive. 20 seconds for a 2-mile is 10 seconds per mile, I don't think anyone has credibly suggested the shoes give you that much.

Some people really want to insist that their 4:08 mile from 1997 is actually worth 3:58 converted

Not 20 seconds - not that I completely believe it is this much but 1 sec per 400m - would be 8:42.xx indoors. Which considering that was run in the 60s and 70s by HS runners on horrible tracks, I think that might be a little too much.

Is there a penalty for backing out your national letter of intent? With how fast he is, he could go to NAU if he'd want to go pro. Or since he already chose a good school, he's surely fast enough to have Santos get him at Stanford

Finally an American faster than Gerry Lindgren’s 8:40 in 1964 on an 11 lap/ mile track, worth 8;33 using ncaa conversions for track size.

Okay but genuinely what is up with the past few classes in high school, how are there SO MANY fast guys? Everyone hyped up last year's seniors so much but this group seems to be even better.

New shoe technology?

Yeah

everyone turns down money from ND to go to an NAU

Are you that delusional?

on this race, the only rub i have is that these are billed as National Champ events

but with not only a pacer that steps off, but pacing lights as well

Thats just me lol. You can argue shoes and tracks all day long, but both of those certainly did not happen 20 years ago. Which is why i have always sais Webb would have easily run 8:30's in 2001 after watching his 8:45 on a flat below avg track in Md.

Sure, but those have been coming out since 2017. It's been nearly 7 years, and it seems to me that the number of performances like this, or the number of high schoolers capable of them is growing on a more recent basis. Maybe starting to train super shoes early on has a positive impact? I'm just curious.

Not sure exactly what you're trying to say, but obviously today's race was not on an 11 lap per mile track.

Also, Lindgren ran on a wood track, and today's race was on a rubber track.

Love the absolute boomer refusal to admit that runners are better 20 years later lol

Times were fast a few years ago - it was the shoes. They are way faster now. What is it now? The talk of shoe technology was overblown then and 2024 is proving it.

I agree - Kids are just better than they were.

NBN nationals stays winning!

Nobody’s doing that. It’s current runners that want everyone to ignore the cheater shoes.

It’s still the shoes

You can’t say that. You don’t know. Have to he current crop race in old shoes. See if your statement holds up.

Honest question - Have shoes gotten better in the last 3-4 years after the initial "jump" in technology that many complained about? If yes, show us some science. If no, explain why HS kids and college athletes have continued to improve drastically?