Surprised nobody has started a thread on this yet. RIT's Sadie Schreiner is a Male -> Female transgender sprinter is competing in the 200m at D3 Indoor Nationals. I think this is one of the first times we have seen a transgender athlete compete at a NCAA national meet for track. I personally feel bad for the athlete that was left out of the meet because of Sadie. However, I am interested in seeing what others think about this.
Sadie is a woman, so she is running in the women’s championship.
Would you be OK with Jakob Ingebrigtsen identifying as a woman and winning the 800m, 1500m, 5000m, 10000m, and maybe even the 400m and Marathon at the next Olympics?
Sadie is a woman, so she is running in the women’s championship.
Would you be OK with Jakob Ingebrigtsen identifying as a woman and winning the 800m, 1500m, 5000m, 10000m, and maybe even the 400m and Marathon at the next Olympics?
It’s division 3, not the olympics. Take a lap buddy.
Sadie is a woman, so she is running in the women’s championship.
Would you be OK with Jakob Ingebrigtsen identifying as a woman and winning the 800m, 1500m, 5000m, 10000m, and maybe even the 400m and Marathon at the next Olympics?
If Jakob changed his gender as Sadie did, then yes.
Would you be OK with Jakob Ingebrigtsen identifying as a woman and winning the 800m, 1500m, 5000m, 10000m, and maybe even the 400m and Marathon at the next Olympics?
If Jakob changed his gender as Sadie did, then yes.
Fascinating. How exactly did Sadie change gender, and what does that have to do with sports, where the relevant factor is biological sex?
If Jakob changed his gender as Sadie did, then yes.
Fascinating. How exactly did Sadie change gender, and what does that have to do with sports, where the relevant factor is biological sex?
You really struggle with basic ideas if you need to ask this question.
She was born a man and became a woman. That's what "change" means. The relevant factor is not biological sex. It's gender. She's a girl. She runs with girls.
Let's say a "biological girl" changed gender to a male and grew a beard. You would want that runner competing against girls? No. It would be ridiculous.
Fascinating. How exactly did Sadie change gender, and what does that have to do with sports, where the relevant factor is biological sex?
You really struggle with basic ideas if you need to ask this question.
She was born a man and became a woman. That's what "change" means. The relevant factor is not biological sex. It's gender. She's a girl. She runs with girls.
Let's say a "biological girl" changed gender to a male and grew a beard. You would want that runner competing against girls? No. It would be ridiculous.
You really struggle with basic ideas if you think she became a woman. How exactly did she do that? Why do you say she is a girl when she has Y chromosomes and a penis?
If a biological girl suddenly grows a beard, it's because she went on testosterone, which is doping, so no, she should not compete against girls.
Surprised nobody has started a thread on this yet. RIT's Sadie Schreiner is a Male -> Female transgender sprinter is competing in the 200m at D3 Indoor Nationals. I think this is one of the first times we have seen a transgender athlete compete at a NCAA national meet for track. I personally feel bad for the athlete that was left out of the meet because of Sadie. However, I am interested in seeing what others think about this.
Schreiner has been discussed on LRC previously, though not in a thread dedicated solely to the male RIT sprinter using claims of having a special gender identity to engage in the new kind of dominance display known as genderflexxing. Unfortunately, I can't locate the other LRC thread at the moment.
But if you're genuinely interested in "what others think about this," here's a link to the thread about Shreiner from this week on Lipstick Alley, the social media site for American black women:
The second post sums up the sentiment of most of the LA community:
....a white male steals 1st and 3rd place from black female athletes. .....and this is what Democrats are campaigning for lmao. in a world where you can identify into oppression guess who's going to benefit most? white males. ironically, the very same demographic Democrats already claim is so privileged.
You really struggle with basic ideas if you need to ask this question.
She was born a man and became a woman. That's what "change" means. The relevant factor is not biological sex. It's gender. She's a girl. She runs with girls.
Let's say a "biological girl" changed gender to a male and grew a beard. You would want that runner competing against girls? No. It would be ridiculous.
You really struggle with basic ideas if you think she became a woman. How exactly did she do that? Why do you say she is a girl when she has Y chromosomes and a penis?
If a biological girl suddenly grows a beard, it's because she went on testosterone, which is doping, so no, she should not compete against girls.
So, this hellhole of a site is completely incapable of finding nuance, but I guess I'll try to. Here are some of the questions I have:
Is she on any kind of hormone therapy?
To what extent, if any, are the biological advantages of testosterone minimized?
Is there broad agreement, amongst the NCAA and elsewhere, about the efficacy of testosterone suppression and can it be quantified to such an extent that all interested parties, provided they are acting in good faith, agree?
FWIW, I sympathize with Sadie. It is undoubtedly very difficult to simultaneously be working through core issues to your identity while also opening yourself up to the kind of hatred and ridicule that is endemic in this discussion. But I also feel that until some of the above questions can be resolved, it ultimately creates an unfair playing field that cannot be ignored or tolerated.
I just wish that the actors who are coming to the same conclusion as I am were a lot more respectful and sympathetic about it.
Let's close the "gender wage gap" by making it possible for xy chromosome bearing males to take prize money, athletic scholarships, and sponsorships from female athletes!
You really struggle with basic ideas if you need to ask this question.
She was born a man and became a woman. That's what "change" means. The relevant factor is not biological sex. It's gender. She's a girl. She runs with girls.
Let's say a "biological girl" changed gender to a male and grew a beard. You would want that runner competing against girls? No. It would be ridiculous.
You really struggle with basic ideas if you think she became a woman. How exactly did she do that? Why do you say she is a girl when she has Y chromosomes and a penis?
If a biological girl suddenly grows a beard, it's because she went on testosterone, which is doping, so no, she should not compete against girls.
As with basically all arguments against transgender participation in sports, the underlying view is this: "You really struggle with basic ideas if you think she became a woman."
I'm sorry, but you shouldn't get to decide on whether transgender individuals can compete when you don't even acknowledge that transgenderism is possible.
I work with transgender people. I teach transgender youth. It is a real thing. They live their days completely as one gender, so they should also be that gender when they run around a track.
You expect us to wave some magic wand that turns them into boys for a 12 second 100m race and then wave it again to turn them back into girls. Or worse yet, you insist on calling them "biological males" even though every decent person in their lives sees them as women.
You really struggle with basic ideas if you think she became a woman. How exactly did she do that? Why do you say she is a girl when she has Y chromosomes and a penis?
If a biological girl suddenly grows a beard, it's because she went on testosterone, which is doping, so no, she should not compete against girls.
As with basically all arguments against transgender participation in sports, the underlying view is this: "You really struggle with basic ideas if you think she became a woman."
I'm sorry, but you shouldn't get to decide on whether transgender individuals can compete when you don't even acknowledge that transgenderism is possible.
I work with transgender people. I teach transgender youth. It is a real thing. They live their days completely as one gender, so they should also be that gender when they run around a track.
You expect us to wave some magic wand that turns them into boys for a 12 second 100m race and then wave it again to turn them back into girls. Or worse yet, you insist on calling them "biological males" even though every decent person in their lives sees them as women.
Exercise some humanity.
Even when a poster above (ughh) fundamentally agrees with them, that poster gets shouted down and downvoted because they weren't sufficiently hateful in their opinion.
It's so gross. There's just absolutely no sympathy or understanding. They just imagine someone sitting in their dorm room, laughing, rubbing their hands together like an evil cartoon villain.
I think you're right -- none of the posters who are particularly hateful ever met a transgender person. They've never talked to one, never considered the amount of stigmatization they feel just existing, let alone competing in a sport.