This thread was started before the race and was entitled, "We may be calling Grant Fisher a World Record Holder by this time next weekend." The race is over. He just missed the AR by running 12:51.84 (AR is 12:51.64) but what made it super impressive is he basically solo'd the whole race as he only had a rabbit for 2k.
He's now the 5th fastest man in history. Here is the top 4
1 12:49.60 Kenenisa Bekele ETH 13.06.82 1 Birmingham 20.02.2004
2 12:50.38 Haile Gebrselassie ETH 18.04.73 1 Birmingham 14.02.1999
3 12:51.48 Daniel Komen KEN 17.05.76 1 Stockholm 19.02.1998
4 12:51.61 William Kincaid USA 21.09.92 1r1 Boston 27.01.2023
1) Only slightly alter training. The focus is summer outdoor T&F.
2) Peak for indoor season. Worry about outdoor season in May.
Clearly Grant Fisher has chosen option number two. Clearly, he has chosen to peak for indoors. Usually this does not work out well. Usually an athlete is too injured for outdoor season to compete or fighting through injury or injuries after peaking for indoors or fighting chronic fatigue.
1) Only slightly alter training. The focus is summer outdoor T&F.
2) Peak for indoor season. Worry about outdoor season in May.
Clearly Grant Fisher has chosen option number two. Clearly, he has chosen to peak for indoors. Usually this does not work out well. Usually an athlete is too injured for outdoor season to compete or fighting through injury or injuries after peaking for indoors or fighting chronic fatigue.
Training is different now, even if he is "peaking", these guys don't just have one or two peaks a year. I believe they keep the threshold work year round and top it off with relatively short periods of speed work. They can even keep specificity within the threshold blocks by modifying the interval length and recovery so they are running at race pace for a threshold workout.
Respect for the detail and enthusiasm, like to see positive fans being positive. great post.
but you are going to be so far from correct next weekend, it’s not even funny. He’s leaving it really late and under more difficult circumstances to setup a standard-box-ticking exercise before shutting it down for a few months. but also, doesn’t he have the standard already, or am I out to lunch here.
count this in the realm of all the disappointing not even close WR rumor efforts in the last two years.
Yes . . . Grant does have the 5k standard . . . but not the 10k standard . . . in fact, he does not even have a 10k world ranking due to the fact he didn't race a 10k last year.
So . . . no . . . he is not shutting it down after today . . . quite the reverse . . . this upcoming 5k race is one more fitness test . . . to prepare him for Sound Running's The TEN on March 16th . . . where he confirmed in his post-race interview today he just wants/needs to get the 27:00 Oly Q . . . so not a AR attempt there . . . at least at this point.
However . . . have a pretty shrewd hunch no one will be disappointed with Grant's performance next weekend . . .
It's great to see what Fisher has become. He's so consistent at a genuine world-class level. His series of races since i jury last year is incredible, even if there aren't any wins in there. He can summon sub-13 seemingly whenever he wants. If he runs smart, and doesn't run for the win in Paris, he could medal in the 5000. He obviously can't live with the kick of Jakob, but if he just rides Jakob's shoulder for 4800m then he'd take 2nd or 3rd, especially now that Katir has been taken out of the mix.
It's great to see what Fisher has become. He's so consistent at a genuine world-class level. His series of races since i jury last year is incredible, even if there aren't any wins in there. He can summon sub-13 seemingly whenever he wants. If he runs smart, and doesn't run for the win in Paris, he could medal in the 5000. He obviously can't live with the kick of Jakob, but if he just rides Jakob's shoulder for 4800m then he'd take 2nd or 3rd, especially now that Katir has been taken out of the mix.
Good point.
Jakob & Mo Katir are two of the three worlds-best 5k/10k runners Grant has never beaten, the other being Jacob Kiplimo.
Mo is now suspended. Jakob is recovering from injury and has missed pretty much all of his fall/early winter base training, so unknown if he will be the indomitable Jakob we've seen clean up on everyone in the 5k these past few years.
I see a scenario where Jacob Krop/Kenya and Luis Grijalva/Guatemala are Grant's main competitors for a medal spot, possibly even gold.
I like Grant, but don't the brojos like to shame people who don't participate in USAs/Worlds while being clearly fit? Seems like they always give certain athletes a "pass" on this.
You don't listen to what's said in interviews do you? Grant Fisher explained it last Sunday and after last night's race why he is not running USA indoors. He needs the standard in the 10000m, and is running the 10 March 16th and chasing the sub 27:00 standard. Worlds conflicts with that race. Don't speak if you don't know what you are talking about
It's great to see what Fisher has become. He's so consistent at a genuine world-class level. His series of races since i jury last year is incredible, even if there aren't any wins in there. He can summon sub-13 seemingly whenever he wants. If he runs smart, and doesn't run for the win in Paris, he could medal in the 5000. He obviously can't live with the kick of Jakob, but if he just rides Jakob's shoulder for 4800m then he'd take 2nd or 3rd, especially now that Katir has been taken out of the mix.
Good point.
Jakob & Mo Katir are two of the three worlds-best 5k/10k runners Grant has never beaten, the other being Jacob Kiplimo.
Mo is now suspended. Jakob is recovering from injury and has missed pretty much all of his fall/early winter base training, so unknown if he will be the indomitable Jakob we've seen clean up on everyone in the 5k these past few years.
I see a scenario where Jacob Krop/Kenya and Luis Grijalva/Guatemala are Grant's main competitors for a medal spot, possibly even gold.
It's about getting rid of the faster kickers for Fisher. He's never going to have the speed to live with a top 1500/5000 guy, but anyone else he can probably race. Aregawi and Barega should be problems, but Ethiopians seem to turn up at championships totally burned out from the circuit. And Kiplimo is a total mystery. His pattern of competition is very weird. He comes out each year, smashes a couple of ridiculous races but is never at his peak at the champs, and that's if he turns up. We're a long way out from Paris, but I like Fisher's chances for a medal this year, much more so than I did in either Tokyo or Eugene.
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Jakob’s brother was qouted in a norwegian podcast this week - saying that Jakob is back running fast threshold sessions on the treadmill (and in extreme heat). So it wont be long before Jakob is in sierra Nevada training at altitude.
1) Only slightly alter training. The focus is summer outdoor T&F.
2) Peak for indoor season. Worry about outdoor season in May.
Clearly Grant Fisher has chosen option number two. Clearly, he has chosen to peak for indoors. Usually this does not work out well. Usually an athlete is too injured for outdoor season to compete or fighting through injury or injuries after peaking for indoors or fighting chronic fatigue.
How would you then categorize those that “participate” at their respective indoor nationals and indoor World Championships? Or their respective XC nationals and XC World Championships?
According to your “clear”instincts of “usually” being “to injured for outdoor season” you would have no athlete peaking for anything except for the summer.
Listen to the athletes when they speak about their focused efforts. Then you will know if they were peaking for a specific event at a specific time in a calendar year. Fisher clearly said he did not peak for his two indoor races. He has said he is focused on getting the 10k Olympic standard.
1) Only slightly alter training. The focus is summer outdoor T&F.
2) Peak for indoor season. Worry about outdoor season in May.
Clearly Grant Fisher has chosen option number two. Clearly, he has chosen to peak for indoors. Usually this does not work out well. Usually an athlete is too injured for outdoor season to compete or fighting through injury or injuries after peaking for indoors or fighting chronic fatigue.
Training is different now, even if he is "peaking", these guys don't just have one or two peaks a year. I believe they keep the threshold work year round and top it off with relatively short periods of speed work. They can even keep specificity within the threshold blocks by modifying the interval length and recovery so they are running at race pace for a threshold workout.
Grant Fisher is not winning outdoor medals. Grant Fisher is injured too often by outdoors. Emotionally, many in U.S. want you to be correct. Empirical evidence states I am correct.
Training is different now, even if he is "peaking", these guys don't just have one or two peaks a year. I believe they keep the threshold work year round and top it off with relatively short periods of speed work. They can even keep specificity within the threshold blocks by modifying the interval length and recovery so they are running at race pace for a threshold workout.
Grant Fisher is not winning outdoor medals. Grant Fisher is injured too often by outdoors. Emotionally, many in U.S. want you to be correct. Empirical evidence states I am correct.
He was injured one season. new coach and better training this year and watch out. he’s a medal threat for sure
Grant Fisher is not winning outdoor medals. Grant Fisher is injured too often by outdoors. Emotionally, many in U.S. want you to be correct. Empirical evidence states I am correct.
He was injured one season. new coach and better training this year and watch out. he’s a medal threat for sure
When I stated empirical evidence, I was commenting on indoor performances overall. Some greats have had outstanding indoor performances. Some greats racing well indoors doesn't make indoors best for most runners, 3000mSC through 10000m. Better training? People racing peak performances indoors is not about better training. People racing peak performances indoors is about a paycheck. Just say the truth.
What I don't get is teams are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions on these guys. ANd you don't even have good rabbits. So the BTC guys miss the standard by 1 second?
The whole standard chasing is wild to me. I guess youd probably need 5k minimum to get a rabbit for the standard and then 10k for a WR rabbit?
Ernst had been rabbiting pretty well but a little too slow today. Either way just get wavelight, I don’t get how that’s not just standard at BU for these standard or record attempts.
Saw the race, and Ernst was pacing the second group that were going for the standard.
In today's Millrose post-race interview, Grant confirmed he will be racing a 5k this upcoming weekend.
In his LRC interview last month, he mentioned he would be racing a 5k in Boston a few days following his Millrose 2 mile, just to simulate racing a 10k/5k double at the Oly Trials and (presumably) the Olympics.
Still to be confirmed where this 5k race is being held and who will be in it . . . but guessing it's the BU Terrier DMR Challenge meet on Friday (2/18) with the BTC guys . . . although a 5k is not on the schedule.
After today's 8:03 2-mile AR . . . sure seems feasible to assume Grant is in better shape than he was in 2022 when he ran his then-AR 12:53.73.
Woody's AR from last year at BU is 12:51.61 . . . while Bekele's WR form 2004 is 12:49.60.
Grant silently was going after Farah's (now former) 8:03.40 WR today . . . he stated after the race his plan was to run 60-second 400s the whole way . . . which is why he took the lead after the pacer dropped off rather than let Kerr do the heavy lifting.
So . . . have a pretty shrewd hunch Grant's not just looking to hang back with whomever is in the race then try to kick them down at the end.
Thus . . . 5 days from now . . . the US might have its first track world record holder in a distance race since . . . when? . . . Mary (Slaney) Tabb's 5k & 10k outdoor records from 1982? . . . from looking at WA's record lists, no US man has ever held a WR in the 5k or 10k . .. indoors or out . . . ever.
What an incredible performance! Grant Fisher's run was nothing short of remarkable, especially considering he essentially tackled the race solo for the majority of the distance. Just missing out on the American record by a mere fraction of a second showcases his exceptional talent and determination. Finishing as the 5th fastest man in history is a monumental achievement and a testament to his skill and dedication. It's moments like these that remind us of the extraordinary feats athletes are capable of accomplishing. Congratulations to Grant Fisher on his incredible performance, and here's to many more impressive races in the future! 🎉🏃♂️
regards,
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