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I don't see McDonald getting the 10k standard. 27:00 is very aggressive. I'm not sure Klecker will get it either. Even in the supershoe era, we haven't seen many non-Africans go sub-27. Both Kincaid and Klecker went for it last year and came up well short
High hopes wrote:
I don't see McDonald getting the 10k standard. 27:00 is very aggressive. I'm not sure Klecker will get it either. Even in the supershoe era, we haven't seen many non-Africans go sub-27. Both Kincaid and Klecker went for it last year and came up well short
Morgan has a much higher ceiling than Klecker. If Ritz stops treating him like Klecker's b*tch, he will be global factors
Also-think back to prior years with Rupp, Hill, True, Jenkins, Fisher, Knight, Chelimo, McDonald and others indoors. Both Chelimo and Farrah share an indoor PR of 13:09, and almost the entire OAC team ducked under that.
Nuguse just equaled Rupp's all time best indoors, and Rupp was a 3:50/7:30 guy at the time. If Nuguse runs that again outdoors, he's under 12:50. El Guerrouj was a 12:50 guy with (rumored) 1:44 wheels.
Beamish is right at Jager's all time outdoor 5K best, which was run in the thick of his steeple rampage years. Jager's 1500 best was 3:32; don't tell me Beamish can't.
I'd bet if you asked Klecker to choose between 12:54 in the winter, and 12:54 right around championship season, he'd choose the latter.
Garcia Romo? IDK. One-off, I'll say.
Mills has run 3:47, 3:30 and 12:58 in the last six months.
There's a lot to write home about with this OAC team if you DON'T compare it to last year's race. Broaden the perspective, recognize the month, recognize WE DON'T KNOW THEIR TRAINING CYCLES, and give NAZ Elite/DarkSky their props.
8minpace wrote:
Also-think back to prior years with Rupp, Hill, True, Jenkins, Fisher, Knight, Chelimo, McDonald and others indoors. Both Chelimo and Farrah share an indoor PR of 13:09, and almost the entire OAC team ducked under that.
Nuguse just equaled Rupp's all time best indoors, and Rupp was a 3:50/7:30 guy at the time. If Nuguse runs that again outdoors, he's under 12:50. El Guerrouj was a 12:50 guy with (rumored) 1:44 wheels.
Beamish is right at Jager's all time outdoor 5K best, which was run in the thick of his steeple rampage years. Jager's 1500 best was 3:32; don't tell me Beamish can't.
I'd bet if you asked Klecker to choose between 12:54 in the winter, and 12:54 right around championship season, he'd choose the latter.
Garcia Romo? IDK. One-off, I'll say.
Mills has run 3:47, 3:30 and 12:58 in the last six months.
There's a lot to write home about with this OAC team if you DON'T compare it to last year's race. Broaden the perspective, recognize the month, recognize WE DON'T KNOW THEIR TRAINING CYCLES, and give NAZ Elite/DarkSky their props.
Yes, the ON Europeans and the ON sponsored athletes who are able to select their own coach seem to be developing nicely.
It’s a college meet in January, bro dawgy. I’m sure all the Keyans are super scared of NAZ elite…
Also, anyone that had a massive PR tonight, cough cough rhymes with Rico, ain’t making team USA. Look to Centro for the perfect college -> big boy natty season.
OAC_HATER wrote:
ITS NEVER BEEN MORE OVER THAN IT IS NOW. NO AMERICAN RECORDS FOR OAC. ITS SO OVER
MORON!!
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Klecker looked kinda tight pre-race. He didn’t look comfortable and when the pacer gapped him and he barely responded on lap 15 it was pretty evident it was not his day. Raess waved Geordie by like 3 laps in he was not doing so hot. Mario ran at the back from the start and never really got going. Yared looked solid but when he didn’t slam it down after making his move it felt like he was vulnerable. Otherwise Beamish squeaked it out despite getting gapped (good work on him and Flanagan to fight all the way). McDonald just didn’t have the fitness despite running a perfectly solid race.
Klecker ran a new altitude fastest mile 2 days before the meet in 354.5. Now u know
ryhhrh wrote:
all this meet has proved so far is mike smith could make a lot of money on the pro scene
Not sure Rupp or Kincaid would fully agree with that at the present time.
Point being, stop with the coach Smith worship.
N00b-O-licious wrote:
It’s a college meet in January, bro dawgy. I’m sure all the Keyans are super scared of NAZ elite…
Also, anyone that had a massive PR tonight, cough cough rhymes with Rico, ain’t making team USA. Look to Centro for the perfect college -> big boy natty season.
Agreed! Its January in an olympic year. Klecker ran super fast last indoors and he was cooked by summer. NAZ all peaking now and will be non-factor at the trials. 13:02 to 13:06 for men and 2 sub 14:50 for women seem like good results to me.
OAC_HATER wrote:
ITS NEVER BEEN MORE OVER THAN IT IS NOW. NO AMERICAN RECORDS FOR OAC. ITS SO OVER
Y’all out here thinking OAC USA is the one they care about. OAC Europe is where the future is.
The difference is Nico Young has developed through years of dedicated training at altitude while being 18-22 years old, and the other two transitioned to smith at the twilight of their careers. I mean, Woody had a spectacular year in 2023, and Galen came back to dominate the 2020 trials and run 2:06 in Chicago after having a gnarly surgery while in his mid 30s. Not sure the criticism is warranted.
michiganrunner58 wrote:
Klecker ran a new altitude fastest mile 2 days before the meet in 354.5. Now u know
Doubtful, but he broke his silence on the race in a Strava post.
“Sorry for the delay in the post race. Actually pretty happy with this one. Been dealing with an upper respiratory tract infection and thought I could still run 13:05 despite. Came just short, started an antibiotic after the race to kick it. 2 years ago I’d be thrilled to open the season in 13:06 off three track workouts. Training has been more aimed to be ready for the 10k and outdoors. One reason we just wanted to just go for the Olympic standard of 13:05 this year versus a race like a year ago. Very stoked for beamish and Yared to hit the standard, also Morgan having a strong start to the year. All in all happy with where I’m at once I kick this sickness, onto Millrose 🫡🫡🫡”
Sounds like we shouldn’t expect too much at Millrose (if he runs)
There is no way anyone can even think the OAC underperformed tonight. What other team has 6 guys under 13:08? Sure its not the standard and sure some people didn't PR but honestly if you can run a 13:08 indoor you can run 13:05 outdoor.
It’s a shame that Andrews and Ritz trashed Chris Fox for allowing her to lift weights. Apparently Ritz made her better because she is now lifting. Disrespectful and arrogant. Remember where you came from girll. You’d be nothing without Fox
Disrespect wrote:
It’s a shame that Andrews and Ritz trashed Chris Fox for allowing her to lift weights. Apparently Ritz made her better because she is now lifting. Disrespectful and arrogant. Remember where you came from girll. You’d be nothing without Fox
For NOt allowing her to lift.
Sleeze bags wrote:
So sick of all the arrogance and sus from Ritz and his team. Glad Goose bombed. That sleazy team needs a reality check.
Speaking of sus. All of a sudden Andrews at 29 has a face full of acne. Check out the you tube video of the BU race. Not too obvious. LoL
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