Takumi sen vs Vaporfly

Takumi's are very durable especially if just used on track. I would say they are better at the 5k and equal to vaporfly in 10k

Great response, exactly what I needed, thankyou very much

vapors are pace restricting, the rocker under the forefoot make it impossible to fully utilize the posterior chain. use the streakfly instead, especially if you have a form similar to mid distance runner

Love the takumi sen for 5k-HM. They are faster for me than Vaporfly. Also, much better road feel if that's important to you.

Has anyone used the new-era takumi sens in a full marathon? I have really liked the 8s so far, but only raced in <5 mile races. Ive seen people say they wouldn't go above HM with them, but I don't really see why you wouldn't. I've never been a big stickler about shoe choice though

I have both the Sen 8 and the Vaporfly Next%2, and while I love the squish in the Vaporfly’s midsole, I think the Sen 8 is going to be a more versatile shoe for you. The firmer feeling midsole on the Sen 8 is more durable and doesn’t bottom out the more you run, it’s a very consistent feeling shoe whereas the Vaporfly can sometimes be too soft or it can be too rigid at times. I also think that the lower stack on the Sen 8 will be way more beneficial, as you can really get some fast races and workouts in these on the track without worrying about twisting your ankle (I’ve done that a few times with the Vaporfly during track workouts trying to pass teammates on the turns). The Sen 8 is more comparable to the Streakfly in the sense that both have the feel and silhouette of a track spike with design elements from their road racing counterparts (Adios Pro and Vaporfly), and I think the Sen 8 is brilliant in that regard. I can’t give my opinion on the Streakfly though because I still haven’t gotten around to buying a pair.

I haven't, but I think most people would prefer one of the higher stack height super shoes for a full marathon to maximize the cushioning and minimize the leg-pounding to feel fresher later in the race. Muscle fiber breakdown is much more of a performance limiting factor in the full marathon than the half, so it makes sense that a lot of people would choose their shoes to try to mitigate it.

I agree.

People said the same about the New Balance SC Pacer (5k-10k super shoe), that it couldn't go to the marathon, but Emily Sisson broke the marathon AR wearing that. (Rather than the NB marathon super shoe, which is more tall/squishy and doesn't support aggressive mechanics.

I like the Pacer and the Takumi Sen, and find that many full marathon super shoes put runners back on the heels with the rocker design.

The Adizero Adios Pro is an exception and I would race 5k-marathon in that.

Never ran in the Vaporfly. However, I can compare the Takumi 9 to other high stack running shoe I used in the past (Metaspeed, Hoka carbon X). To me, the Takumi is better for fast and intense effort : short interval on the track (up to 400 m), hill rep.I would also favor the Takumi for Fartlek. The relative low stack profile is better than high stack running shoe on uneven terrain. Today I did some 400 m @ mile pace on a cinder track, and I would have never run that fast with a "normal" super shoe.

I've run in 4%'s Next %'s, Adios Pro 2's, and Takumi Sen 8's. There's no question I would choose the Takumi's for 5k/10k/intervals at those paces and faster. I liked the Adios pro 2's for half marathon. If I get into great shape any time soon, it would be a tossup between them and the Takumi's over HM...as I am not a very lightly built runner and have only run 1:20 in recent years. The Takumi's feel comfortable at 3k/mile pace intervals on the track. They are easily the most stable "super shoes" I have tried on or used, and the continental rubber makes them a more durable option...I've got about 200 miles on mine, and they feel about the same as they did 50 miles in.

Takumi wins hands down for me on everything. Lighter, more nimble, and faster. Have used for half’s and run better than in vaporfly, have done some 22 milers in them with no issues! It’s the perfect marathon shoe imo