21yo 6'1" 157-162lbs male | My experience with consistent training at the time of 2:12 was 7 months, it was 1st of july, rn Im in the middle of the base phase, had a few setbacks with infections, but currently Im going strong and Im soon gonna go over 40mpw soon, I already feel like I improved a lot and breaking 2mins would be huge for me this year, how likely is it?
21yo 6'1" 157-162lbs male | My experience with consistent training at the time of 2:12 was 7 months, it was 1st of july, rn Im in the middle of the base phase, had a few setbacks with infections, but currently Im going strong and Im soon gonna go over 40mpw soon, I already feel like I improved a lot and breaking 2mins would be huge for me this year, how likely is it?
pretty unlikely that you'll see such rapid improvement given your age but with consistent work its a possibility.
21yo 6'1" 157-162lbs male | My experience with consistent training at the time of 2:12 was 7 months, it was 1st of july, rn Im in the middle of the base phase, had a few setbacks with infections, but currently Im going strong and Im soon gonna go over 40mpw soon, I already feel like I improved a lot and breaking 2mins would be huge for me this year, how likely is it?
Yea it can be done. Had a 21 year old come to me and his first 800 was 2:16 and within a year he ran 1:55. Not sure how much ability you have but it is possible. Good luck!
21yo 6'1" 157-162lbs male | My experience with consistent training at the time of 2:12 was 7 months, it was 1st of july, rn Im in the middle of the base phase, had a few setbacks with infections, but currently Im going strong and Im soon gonna go over 40mpw soon, I already feel like I improved a lot and breaking 2mins would be huge for me this year, how likely is it?
Yea it can be done. Had a 21 year old come to me and his first 800 was 2:16 and within a year he ran 1:55. Not sure how much ability you have but it is possible. Good luck!
that athlete also broke 50 for the 400 that same year he ran 1:55 and ended up running 1:46 a few years later, meaning he was a great talent. I'm not saying its completely impossible, but odds are OP is not seeing that same progression. post puberty its very rare to make such drastic improvements over a short period of time.
Yea it can be done. Had a 21 year old come to me and his first 800 was 2:16 and within a year he ran 1:55. Not sure how much ability you have but it is possible. Good luck!
that athlete also broke 50 for the 400 that same year he ran 1:55 and ended up running 1:46 a few years later, meaning he was a great talent. I'm not saying its completely impossible, but odds are OP is not seeing that same progression. post puberty its very rare to make such drastic improvements over a short period of time.
Well we are hoping for faster this season :)
I'm always a believer that if someone has any ability, and they train with a good group significant improvements can occur. In 12 months I have had a 30 year old female go from hobby jogger to running 4:31/9:36 for 1500m/3k. Her 4:31 was her first 1500m ever!
To the OP if you want to break 2minutes you need to most likely run 54 seconds for 400m. Find a coach, don't worry about your volume too much and enjoy what your doing. Dream Big!
that athlete also broke 50 for the 400 that same year he ran 1:55 and ended up running 1:46 a few years later, meaning he was a great talent. I'm not saying its completely impossible, but odds are OP is not seeing that same progression. post puberty its very rare to make such drastic improvements over a short period of time.
Well we are hoping for faster this season :)
I'm always a believer that if someone has any ability, and they train with a good group significant improvements can occur. In 12 months I have had a 30 year old female go from hobby jogger to running 4:31/9:36 for 1500m/3k. Her 4:31 was her first 1500m ever!
To the OP if you want to break 2minutes you need to most likely run 54 seconds for 400m. Find a coach, don't worry about your volume too much and enjoy what your doing. Dream Big!
I've followed closely a lot of your posts coach, you seem to have a great thing going down under. OP I second getting a coach or a training group, that'd make life just way easier. would love for an update come spring time or if you decide to do any running during the indoor season. best of luck.
21yo 6'1" 157-162lbs male | My experience with consistent training at the time of 2:12 was 7 months, it was 1st of july, rn Im in the middle of the base phase, had a few setbacks with infections, but currently Im going strong and Im soon gonna go over 40mpw soon, I already feel like I improved a lot and breaking 2mins would be huge for me this year, how likely is it?
I went from 2:14 to 1:57 in the span of about a year and a half, one year improvement was 2:08-1:57, it can be done if you put the right work in and have the talent.
Just remember, you can’t endurance your way to a fast 800m, and you can’t speed your way to a fast 800m, you’ll likely need to be in PR 1500/mile shape and PR 200m shape at the same time to go from 2:12 to 1:59. The biggest thing I did to get me to competitive caliber 800m running was letting go of the distance training for a while, hitting the weights/plyo to build power in the legs and core, and getting my 400m down to a 53 flat open rather than a 56.x relay, and only then did I start really focusing on increasing mileage and doing that mile-5k paced work.
that athlete also broke 50 for the 400 that same year he ran 1:55 and ended up running 1:46 a few years later, meaning he was a great talent. I'm not saying its completely impossible, but odds are OP is not seeing that same progression. post puberty its very rare to make such drastic improvements over a short period of time.
Well we are hoping for faster this season :)
I'm always a believer that if someone has any ability, and they train with a good group significant improvements can occur. In 12 months I have had a 30 year old female go from hobby jogger to running 4:31/9:36 for 1500m/3k. Her 4:31 was her first 1500m ever!
To the OP if you want to break 2minutes you need to most likely run 54 seconds for 400m. Find a coach, don't worry about your volume too much and enjoy what your doing. Dream Big!
Coahc / Copper.
In my 40s also looking to break 2 this season.
Ran 53.8 the other day for 400m.
Anything different that I should be doing training wise at my age?
I'm always a believer that if someone has any ability, and they train with a good group significant improvements can occur. In 12 months I have had a 30 year old female go from hobby jogger to running 4:31/9:36 for 1500m/3k. Her 4:31 was her first 1500m ever!
To the OP if you want to break 2minutes you need to most likely run 54 seconds for 400m. Find a coach, don't worry about your volume too much and enjoy what your doing. Dream Big!
Coahc / Copper.
In my 40s also looking to break 2 this season.
Ran 53.8 the other day for 400m.
Anything different that I should be doing training wise at my age?
Wow that is fantastic running! I am currently trying to help a 40+ athlete break 2min but he comes from a more distance background. It would be interesting to know what you do for training as it is difficult to make recommendations without knowing much. If you can run 53.8 and have good endurance there is no reason why you can't run under 2. Good luck!
Anything different that I should be doing training wise at my age?
Wow that is fantastic running! I am currently trying to help a 40+ athlete break 2min but he comes from a more distance background. It would be interesting to know what you do for training as it is difficult to make recommendations without knowing much. If you can run 53.8 and have good endurance there is no reason why you can't run under 2. Good luck!
I've never raced 800m.
Will be 45 in April.
Mile PB of 5:03 in my 30s. Didn't run for 10 years with kids etc and came back into it.
I've ran 4:37 for mile in training on successive days.
16:15 for 5k.
No coach.
Training is unstructured to say the least but it's been consistent over 4 years and lack of injury has helped.
Have upped my mileage this January to 30 mpw after watching a few lydiard docs on youtube. Was previously at 15 mpw for past 3 years.
Lots of short tempos of 2k at 3:15 pace.
Suffer from tight hamstrings constantly after speed work. This is my main problem. It knocks me out of action for over a week before legs are right again.
21yo 6'1" 157-162lbs male | My experience with consistent training at the time of 2:12 was 7 months, it was 1st of july, rn Im in the middle of the base phase, had a few setbacks with infections, but currently Im going strong and Im soon gonna go over 40mpw soon, I already feel like I improved a lot and breaking 2mins would be huge for me this year, how likely is it?
Yea it can be done. Had a 21 year old come to me and his first 800 was 2:16 and within a year he ran 1:55. Not sure how much ability you have but it is possible. Good luck!
I ran 12.57 for 100m before I got into middle distance, will have to test my 400 tho, and I still got a lot to move aerobically. Thanks for encouraging words!
Yea it can be done. Had a 21 year old come to me and his first 800 was 2:16 and within a year he ran 1:55. Not sure how much ability you have but it is possible. Good luck!
I ran 12.57 for 100m before I got into middle distance, will have to test my 400 tho, and I still got a lot to move aerobically. Thanks for encouraging words!
I've ran 4:37 for mile in training on successive days.
16:15 for 5k.
Training is unstructured to say the least but it's been consistent over 4 years and lack of injury has helped.
Have upped my mileage this January to 30 mpw after watching a few lydiard docs on youtube. Was previously at 15 mpw for past 3 years.
Lots of short tempos of 2k at 3:15 pace.
Suffer from tight hamstrings constantly after speed work. This is my main problem. It knocks me out of action for over a week before legs are right again.
With a 53.8 400m and a 16:15 5K and 4:37 mile in training, in the right race, you have the speed and endurance to run sub-2 right now. If that is your goal, I don't think you need to do anything fundamentally different.
You have already spotted the main problem: speedwork at 45 is a killer. The only thing that can prevent you from running sub-2 is a pulled hamstring or achilles tendinitis. My only recommendation is to be extremely conservative when you do speedwork. Warm up well and do not overdo it. Try to maintain range of motion, but be very careful when you stretch. You are threading a very thin line between top performance and injury. Good luck!
Wow that is fantastic running! I am currently trying to help a 40+ athlete break 2min but he comes from a more distance background. It would be interesting to know what you do for training as it is difficult to make recommendations without knowing much. If you can run 53.8 and have good endurance there is no reason why you can't run under 2. Good luck!
I've never raced 800m.
Will be 45 in April.
Mile PB of 5:03 in my 30s. Didn't run for 10 years with kids etc and came back into it.
I've ran 4:37 for mile in training on successive days.
16:15 for 5k.
No coach.
Training is unstructured to say the least but it's been consistent over 4 years and lack of injury has helped.
Have upped my mileage this January to 30 mpw after watching a few lydiard docs on youtube. Was previously at 15 mpw for past 3 years.
Lots of short tempos of 2k at 3:15 pace.
Suffer from tight hamstrings constantly after speed work. This is my main problem. It knocks me out of action for over a week before legs are right again.
Yep you can do it. You will need to race the 800m a number of times and I am sure you can do it. In your training a few lactate tolerance sessions may help. If you get sore from extensive work on the track try a good hill session for this. Next week our guys will do 3x1x300m hill 60 seconds rest 200m fast with 7min rest between sets. It will be painful and not something we do all the time. Good luck!
Mile PB of 5:03 in my 30s. Didn't run for 10 years with kids etc and came back into it.
I've ran 4:37 for mile in training on successive days.
16:15 for 5k.
No coach.
Training is unstructured to say the least but it's been consistent over 4 years and lack of injury has helped.
Have upped my mileage this January to 30 mpw after watching a few lydiard docs on youtube. Was previously at 15 mpw for past 3 years.
Lots of short tempos of 2k at 3:15 pace.
Suffer from tight hamstrings constantly after speed work. This is my main problem. It knocks me out of action for over a week before legs are right again.
Yep you can do it. You will need to race the 800m a number of times and I am sure you can do it. In your training a few lactate tolerance sessions may help. If you get sore from extensive work on the track try a good hill session for this. Next week our guys will do 3x1x300m hill 60 seconds rest 200m fast with 7min rest between sets. It will be painful and not something we do all the time. Good luck!
21yo 6'1" 157-162lbs male | My experience with consistent training at the time of 2:12 was 7 months, it was 1st of july, rn Im in the middle of the base phase, had a few setbacks with infections, but currently Im going strong and Im soon gonna go over 40mpw soon, I already feel like I improved a lot and breaking 2mins would be huge for me this year, how likely is it?
2:12 is good for just 7 months of training and shows real talent. Sub-2 is not a lock but somewhat more likely than indicated by some message boarders. You are still on the steep part of the learning curve. Above and beyond your increases in training, you might even be able to shave some time just by getting to 155 lbs.
If I had to guess, I would put you around 2:01 this July (each second under ~2:05 gets exponentially harder to achieve), assuming strong consistent training. But the range of possibilities is big and sub-2 is not unreasonable to shoot for.
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