When Muir was with Andy Young they were doing nothing but VO2 sessions and 6 min pace easy runs. I don't even think they did true long runs. He had a very low mileage, high intensity approach. I'm suprised she held up so long with the training regimen.
When Muir was with Andy Young they were doing nothing but VO2 sessions and 6 min pace easy runs. I don't even think they did true long runs. He had a very low mileage, high intensity approach. I'm suprised she held up so long with the training regimen.
Muir has often seemed like she's straining in the final 400. Maybe this workout regime change will allow her to stay more relaxed whilst in her top end flow--and remain in the podium mix.
I was gobsmacked when I heard this interview. I find it hard to fathom how Laura’s old coach (as well as Laura herself-she admitted as much in the interview) believed doing all reps in all workouts at FULL TILT is the best way to train.
I thought everyone had learnt from the 1990s that this type of training in terrible.
Wonder how many other ‘elite’ coaches still use outdated methods?
I was gobsmacked when I heard this interview. I find it hard to fathom how Laura’s old coach (as well as Laura herself-she admitted as much in the interview) believed doing all reps in all workouts at FULL TILT is the best way to train.
I thought everyone had learnt from the 1990s that this type of training in terrible.
Wonder how many other ‘elite’ coaches still use outdated methods?
Shows how talented Laura Muir is. Basically training like a high schooler and still medaling on the world stage
I was gobsmacked when I heard this interview. I find it hard to fathom how Laura’s old coach (as well as Laura herself-she admitted as much in the interview) believed doing all reps in all workouts at FULL TILT is the best way to train.
I thought everyone had learnt from the 1990s that this type of training in terrible.
Wonder how many other ‘elite’ coaches still use outdated methods?
I’m sure she still had aerobic blocks. Whatever they did I still think Andy Young can hold his head high with the end results. I for one don’t believe her achievements would be any greater if she followed the Lydiard or Dancan system.
I was gobsmacked when I heard this interview. I find it hard to fathom how Laura’s old coach (as well as Laura herself-she admitted as much in the interview) believed doing all reps in all workouts at FULL TILT is the best way to train.
I thought everyone had learnt from the 1990s that this type of training in terrible.
Wonder how many other ‘elite’ coaches still use outdated methods?
I’m sure she still had aerobic blocks. Whatever they did I still think Andy Young can hold his head high with the end results. I for one don’t believe her achievements would be any greater if she followed the Lydiard or Dancan system.
Fair, and it's hard to say if she would have have suffered fewer injuries under a different system.. Interesting that she is now redoubling her efforts in the gym.
I was happy to hear that [off her recent threshold work] Muir has already seen progress in her 5k time and even fancies a fast, competitive 10k someday.
When Muir was with Andy Young they were doing nothing but VO2 sessions and 6 min pace easy runs. I don't even think they did true long runs. He had a very low mileage, high intensity approach. I'm suprised she held up so long with the training regimen.
It worked for her. Jakob is the opposite: little speed work, all threshold and high volume. In both cases, the untapped potential is pretty clear so it's going to be interesting to see if this training adjustment brings her closer to Kipyegon and back into the mix for second and third.
When Muir was with Andy Young they were doing nothing but VO2 sessions and 6 min pace easy runs. I don't even think they did true long runs. He had a very low mileage, high intensity approach. I'm suprised she held up so long with the training regimen.
It worked for her. Jakob is the opposite: little speed work, all threshold and high volume. In both cases, the untapped potential is pretty clear so it's going to be interesting to see if this training adjustment brings her closer to Kipyegon and back into the mix for second and third.
She’s 30 and has been running well for a long time. Her improving at this point in her career, seems very unlikely.
When Muir was with Andy Young they were doing nothing but VO2 sessions and 6 min pace easy runs. I don't even think they did true long runs. He had a very low mileage, high intensity approach. I'm suprised she held up so long with the training regimen.
6 minute easy pace, but your PR is 14:50. Sure buddy.
She’s 30 and has been running well for a long time. Her improving at this point in her career, seems very unlikely.
Now now, plenty of fine upstanding athletes have made significant career defining speed improvements in later life.
why, just look at linford Christie, or Dwayne chambers, or Paula Radcliffe, or Chris froom! yep, they all figured it out later in life by finally eating their wheaties and getting a good night sleep.
She’s 30 and has been running well for a long time. Her improving at this point in her career, seems very unlikely.
Now now, plenty of fine upstanding athletes have made significant career defining speed improvements in later life.
why, just look at linford Christie, or Dwayne chambers, or Paula Radcliffe, or Chris froom! yep, they all figured it out later in life by finally eating their wheaties and getting a good night sleep.
It worked for her. Jakob is the opposite: little speed work, all threshold and high volume. In both cases, the untapped potential is pretty clear so it's going to be interesting to see if this training adjustment brings her closer to Kipyegon and back into the mix for second and third.
She’s 30 and has been running well for a long time. Her improving at this point in her career, seems very unlikely.
I don’t know why this got downvoted. She’s run at about the same level for the last 8 years and you guys believe she’s going to improve some more at age 30? Middle distance runners will peak at age 25-26 or even earlier. No new spiff workouts will change that.
She’s 30 and has been running well for a long time. Her improving at this point in her career, seems very unlikely.
I don’t know why this got downvoted. She’s run at about the same level for the last 8 years and you guys believe she’s going to improve some more at age 30? Middle distance runners will peak at age 25-26 or even earlier. No new spiff workouts will change that.
I upvoted your comment. Kipyegon faces a greater threat from youngsters like Welteji than she does from Muir, regardless of some new magical practice routine.
Kipyegon has long understood that she is pushing the age parameters at middle distance. That's why she initially announced she would switch to 5000 after Tokyo. But once Tokyo got pushed back a year and she was doing so well she saw the ultra rare opportunity for 3 golds in a row at 1500. I still think it's going to be tougher than expected for her at 30, after wining convincingly at 22 and 27. She's fortunate that Welteji will turn 22 soon instead of 25 or 26, and others like Haylom and Chepchirchir are even younger.
I don’t know why this got downvoted. She’s run at about the same level for the last 8 years and you guys believe she’s going to improve some more at age 30? Middle distance runners will peak at age 25-26 or even earlier. No new spiff workouts will change that.
I upvoted your comment. Kipyegon faces a greater threat from youngsters like Welteji than she does from Muir, regardless of some new magical practice routine.
Kipyegon has long understood that she is pushing the age parameters at middle distance. That's why she initially announced she would switch to 5000 after Tokyo. But once Tokyo got pushed back a year and she was doing so well she saw the ultra rare opportunity for 3 golds in a row at 1500. I still think it's going to be tougher than expected for her at 30, after wining convincingly at 22 and 27. She's fortunate that Welteji will turn 22 soon instead of 25 or 26, and others like Haylom and Chepchirchir are even younger.
That doesn't even make sense. You suggest Kipyegon was already old for a middle distance runner in Tokyo but was "doing so well" at middle distance, she decided to keep going for a further 3 years.
How to say you're obsessed with very young girls without saying you're obsessed with very young girls...
Its about how well you race, not how old you are. There are plenty of examples of 30 + successful female middle distance athletes, and its obviously a very individual thing. Kelly Holmes (800m and 1500m Olympic gold at 34) and more recently the much improved Ciara Magheean, who has done all her pbs aged 30 and 31. There are plenty of other examples. Some athletes are best in their mid twenties, others aren't. American runners do seem to flare out early, I'll give you that...
I upvoted your comment. Kipyegon faces a greater threat from youngsters like Welteji than she does from Muir, regardless of some new magical practice routine.
Kipyegon has long understood that she is pushing the age parameters at middle distance. That's why she initially announced she would switch to 5000 after Tokyo. But once Tokyo got pushed back a year and she was doing so well she saw the ultra rare opportunity for 3 golds in a row at 1500. I still think it's going to be tougher than expected for her at 30, after wining convincingly at 22 and 27. She's fortunate that Welteji will turn 22 soon instead of 25 or 26, and others like Haylom and Chepchirchir are even younger.
That doesn't even make sense. You suggest Kipyegon was already old for a middle distance runner in Tokyo but was "doing so well" at middle distance, she decided to keep going for a further 3 years.
How to say you're obsessed with very young girls without saying you're obsessed with very young girls...
Its about how well you race, not how old you are. There are plenty of examples of 30 + successful female middle distance athletes, and its obviously a very individual thing. Kelly Holmes (800m and 1500m Olympic gold at 34) and more recently the much improved Ciara Magheean, who has done all her pbs aged 30 and 31. There are plenty of other examples. Some athletes are best in their mid twenties, others aren't. American runners do seem to flare out early, I'll give you that...
The discussion is about if a middle distance runner can improve significantly past their mid-20s. Holmes’ 800PR was at age 25, and she only approve her 1500m time by .2 seconds from ages 27 to 34.
Maybe Magheean is an outlier, but I doubt if there are plenty of examples when it comes to middle distance running.
That doesn't even make sense. You suggest Kipyegon was already old for a middle distance runner in Tokyo but was "doing so well" at middle distance, she decided to keep going for a further 3 years.
How to say you're obsessed with very young girls without saying you're obsessed with very young girls...
Its about how well you race, not how old you are. There are plenty of examples of 30 + successful female middle distance athletes, and its obviously a very individual thing. Kelly Holmes (800m and 1500m Olympic gold at 34) and more recently the much improved Ciara Magheean, who has done all her pbs aged 30 and 31. There are plenty of other examples. Some athletes are best in their mid twenties, others aren't. American runners do seem to flare out early, I'll give you that...
The discussion is about if a middle distance runner can improve significantly past their mid-20s. Holmes’ 800PR was at age 25, and she only approve her 1500m time by .2 seconds from ages 27 to 34.
Maybe Magheean is an outlier, but I doubt if there are plenty of examples when it comes to middle distance running.
Again, you are not making sense. You initially discussed how medals were more difficult to win at age 30+ for middle distance runners, and when a double Olympic gold medallist in the 800m and 1500m at age 34 was pointed out to you, you changed your argument to being about pbs.
Which is it? pbs or gold medals? How many "outliers" do you need pointed out to you before you admit that they are simply members of the competitive field, often athletes who have had injuries earlier on and become physically stronger, or not maximised their coaching, diet or recovery?
I've by now means researched this thoroughly, but just from those top athletes who spring to mind, Katie Snowden who will be 30 next year ran her 1500m pb of 3.56 last year. Melissa Courtney ran her 1500m of 3.58 last year at age 30. Alex Bell ran her 800m pb of 1.57 at age 29. 800m runner Natoya Goule ran better than ever before last year at the age of 32. Catriona Bisset made her breakthrough performances last year at age 29 in the 800m. Going back 10 years, Helen Clitheroe won European 3000m indoor gold at age 36 and raced even better at the Indoor Worlds a year later compared to her form when a younger athlete. The finalists in their early twenties are the outliers!
Its American athletes who burn out in their mid or late twenties after focussing too heavily on long distance too young who are the real outliers.
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