Should terrible d1 schools be demoted? How would it look?

You don't know how the Divisions work do you?

Alan

How so, Alan? I want to figure out a way to do it, like how do we drop miss valley state from d1 they are horrible but I figured a demotion system within each conference would be easier to start out with as opposed to dropping a school from d1 into a d2 conference, seems like there could be some logistical concerns.

Interesting thought. It might work for conferences, but not divisions. Each division has different limits including scholarships and staffing. For example a DII school relegated to DIII would mean dropping athletic scholarships.

NAU would get pushed down because they suck at real sports.

You're really serious aout this? And you ask how it would work. The answer is it could not. You might ask why so let's just do one example. U Mass is just awful at D1 football. They'd have been relegated years ago if relegation actually happened. So let's use them as an example and imagine they are relegated this off season.

Who will they play? Are you going to put them into a D2 conference? Which one? How would that conference schedule them? Football schedules are set years in advance. No conference is going to have room on member schedules to fit U Mass in. Yes, now and then an unanticipated opening crops up and they could fill in there but that sort of thing happens very, very, rarely. U Mass could never fill out an eleven game schedule filling in for unanticipated openings. Normally they couldn't even fill in a one game schedule that way. So don't put them into a conference, you say, and play as an independent like they're doing now in D1. The same problem comes up. What schools will have last minute openings in their schedules to play them and even if they have one why would they want to fill it with what a team that has D1 resources and will probably blow them away?

As a former D1A school they have something like 85 players on scholarships. I think the limit for D2 schools is something like 40. What D2 conference will take in a school that would be an overwhelming favorite to finish first? They'd also likely blow away everyone they play in the championships too. Why would other football playing schools in the division agree to having to play a school with D1 resources in their tournament?

You want to solve that by forcing U Mass to have only 40 scholarships? Which of their 45 scholarship players lose their scholarships? D1 schools are allowed more coaches than D2 schools are. Which U Mass coaches get laid off?

And what of other sports at U Mass? The NCAA requires a school to play all of its sponsored teams in the same division with a handful of excceptions, hockey being the most noticable one. So all of the problems with numbers of scholarships, finding number of coaches, scheduling competitions with schools that have filled in schedules turn up a multitude of times.

You could relegate in some professional sports because rules in the majors are the same as those in the minors and because professional schedules for the upcoming season are made up in league offices at the end of the regular season. Dropping the Royals or Pirates to AAA or the Pistons to the G League could be done fairly easily. But there is no realistic way to do that in the NCAA.

Let's put this in perspective a bit.

On the men's side NAU only has XC/T&F, tennis, basketball, & football.

I could perhaps see colleges being "split" in what divisions the athletic teams play in but that is not done anymore. By "split" I mean one athletic team plays in one division while others play in a different division.

Johns Hopkins' lacrosse teams, for instance, play D1 and are members of the Big 10. The rest of the athletic teams are D3. The women's soccer team and men's hockey team at Colorado College are D1 and the rest of the teams play D3. There are other schools that have hockey teams that play in D1 while other teams are inn different divisions.

It depends on which sport you're talking about! For example, my D2 school won nationals over all D1 schools in a sport that D2 competes against D1. So then are all D1 schools crappy since they can't beat a D2 school?

It s not just running, but these schools want to be in D1 for football and basketball

D1s should be demoted but only based on their xc team results. Georgia football should be playing North Central not Florida State.

A relegation process based on football/ basketball would mean even less money being spent on money losing sports like track/ cross-country.

Video gaming isn't a sport.

Allow me to channel my inner Young Sheldon...

In contrast, consider the NFL ("American football/football). There, the worst team in the league gets the top draft pick. So, in essence, the worst team gets rewarded for poor performance. So, ironically, the Brits have a system that is way more Capitalist than the Americans, who could arguably have a system called "Socialist."

But those are professional sports and there are other factors that come into play. Im the NFL, the Green Bay Packers, can compete with the Chicago Bears (and have consistently outperformed them for about two decades) because the NFL has a policy called "revenue sharing," where revenue is pooled and distributed across the league. That means a team that is practically based in the ("I've never heard if the town of") Ashwaubenon, WI gets an nearly-equal footing profit-wise as the one from the major market one based in Chicago, IL.

To answer your question, college athletics is not supposed to be about money, at least in theory. Colorado is much less densely populated than Illinois; yet their cross country program has won National Championships. UIC recently finished 23rd at Midwest Regionals. If we had a system of promotion/relegation, that wouldn't necessarily change (for one simple reason: coach Mark Wetmore). But you might see a lot of much smaller market teams who can't afford top talent fall by the wayside and cease to exist. So, no, I don't think a system of promotion/relegation would work. And there is no "draft" in college althletics; success is mostly recruiting-driven. The system, as it stands isn't perfect. But there are serious tradeoffs to the one you proposed.

For one, being good or bad at a sport usually has nothing to do with going D1, D2, D3, etc.

I'll let you do your own research.

Alan

despite the clueless people here saying it's a bad idea, it's actually going to be happening soon in several ways.

There have been discussions at the NCAA to REQUIRE colleges to fund ALL sports a certain scholarship level in order to remain Division 1. That means teams would have to give their men's track teams a certain number of scholarships, for example, or be demoted to D2.

Additionally, you can already see the power 5 programs realigning. The power 5 schools are likely going to separate out and make their own Division with their own championship. You can see they've already consolidated into a power 4 now that the Pac 10 is gone.

Nobody said the idea is bad. I like the idea but it doesn't work. Most of what you posted is incorrect.

And MIT for rowing

Yes, I know it’s “doesn’t work” that was the point of the thread… I wanted to figure out how to make it work?

Demote the following immediately

Michigan

Ohio State

Penn State