Just 90 minutes after solo running a 1:44.06, ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5zTzMciyxw&lc=KUP-0dBVTg4pH8RA6g_hbdsh370GZOzC9t5glnQJXQ&feature=inbox) Coe r...
Ryun ran a 440y relay leg of 46.9 s, Ovette had a 400m PR of 47.5 and Coe had a 400m PR of 46.87.
What could each of them run if they trained exclusively for the 400m?
I doubt that Ryun ran many 4 X 400s and he might not have ever ran one as an adult. His coach was fixated on him running the mile. Also, as I have stated on here before Jim Ryun was basically done at age 21 because he had to make a living for his family. Plus, he was badly overtrained and burnt out.
Heart says Ovett but watching Coe accelerate is unreal, give him edge with a hard charging Ryun closing on the homestretch but running out of real estate
Heart says Ovett but watching Coe accelerate is unreal, give him edge with a hard charging Ryun closing on the homestretch but running out of real estate
Heart says Ovett but watching Coe accelerate is unreal, give him edge with a hard charging Ryun closing on the homestretch but running out of real estate
Not a fair discussion. High mileage kills leaping ability and pure sprinting speed. Only debate is how much high mileage kills leaping ability & sprinting speed. If high mileage didn't kill leaping ability sprinting speed, every T&F coach would push their jumpers & 100m sprinters to participate, fall XC or at least train with the team.
1) Ovett was the naturally fastest sprinter of the three. S Ovett is the only one of the three with sprint personal bests from his youth, middle school era. High mileage killed his sprinting speed somewhat.
2) No evidence of great sprinting speed, J Ryun. If he were a great sprinter in junior high school, J Ryun would have been a high school sprinter. High mileage killed his speed.
3) S Coe took speed development seriously. He kept his mileage low until 1981 or 1982. [All the S Coe detectives on here who insist S Coe was a secret 100 mile per week runner only have evidence of higher mileage from 1982 or later.]
Not a fair discussion. High mileage kills leaping ability and pure sprinting speed. Only debate is how much high mileage kills leaping ability & sprinting speed. If high mileage didn't kill leaping ability sprinting speed, every T&F coach would push their jumpers & 100m sprinters to participate, fall XC or at least train with the team.
1) Ovett was the naturally fastest sprinter of the three. S Ovett is the only one of the three with sprint personal bests from his youth, middle school era. High mileage killed his sprinting speed somewhat.
2) No evidence of great sprinting speed, J Ryun. If he were a great sprinter in junior high school, J Ryun would have been a high school sprinter. High mileage killed his speed.
3) S Coe took speed development seriously. He kept his mileage low until 1981 or 1982. [All the S Coe detectives on here who insist S Coe was a secret 100 mile per week runner only have evidence of higher mileage from 1982 or later.]
Ovett being a good schoolboy sprinter didn't mean he was therefore faster than Coe in their primes - which is what the discussion is about. He was several seconds slower than Coe in a largely anaerobic event, the 800, and he showed no sign of being able to match Coe's demonstrated 400 relay speed.
If they had run on the same tracks in the same era I also doubt Ryun would have been slower than Ovett over a quarter. Ryun showed he had serious pace at the end of a race.
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I didn't say Ovett was faster in their prime. I explained why S Coe was a faster 400m sprinter. Ryun was inconsistent at 800m. Ryun refused to race the best 400m & 800m men, indoor 600yds. During Ryun's prime, 600yds. indoors were big events. A great kick is not proof of great sprinting speed. 1966-1968 was peak J Ryun. I have stated detailed analysis in prior threads, if Ryun had trained for and raced 800m, 1968 Olympics, he would have finished, at best, 3rd. If Coe, Ovett and Ryun all raced 400m in their prime, Ryun, 3rd place.
Ryun ran a 440y relay leg of 46.9 s, Ovette had a 400m PR of 47.5 and Coe had a 400m PR of 46.87.
What could each of them run if they trained exclusively for the 400m?
What’s interesting is that Ryun ran 47x on a relay in HS and I believe Ovett also showed tremendous as a teenager. Coe was 50.x runner as an 18 year old.
So, I think without juicing:
Ryun 46mid FAT
Ovett 47 low to mid FAT
Coe 48 low FAT
I think Coe was the only one juicing so I adjusted his times up.
I didn't say Ovett was faster in their prime. I explained why S Coe was a faster 400m sprinter. Ryun was inconsistent at 800m. Ryun refused to race the best 400m & 800m men, indoor 600yds. During Ryun's prime, 600yds. indoors were big events. A great kick is not proof of great sprinting speed. 1966-1968 was peak J Ryun. I have stated detailed analysis in prior threads, if Ryun had trained for and raced 800m, 1968 Olympics, he would have finished, at best, 3rd. If Coe, Ovett and Ryun all raced 400m in their prime, Ryun, 3rd place.
I certainly agree that Ryun could have been a great 800 meter runner. Just in case you or other readers of this thread were unfamiliar with his racing history, Ryun did compete in the 800 meters in both the 1968 and 1972 Olympic trials, and did not qualify for the team in either instance, finishing 7th in 1968 and 4th in 1972.
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