I don't get this team. They were non existent during the cross country season. Yet they have so much talent... If just one of their 4:30/9:50 guys can drop to 9:30, that is one of the most talented teams in the country. Why do they underperform during xc? yet overperform on the track?
hart 9:22 - Eli Ahten (11) 9:29 - Alejandro Cuesto (11) 9:32 - Nicolas Zamora (10) 9:32 - Josue Lopez (11) 4:30/9:50 - Alireza Tofangdar (11) 4:34 - Jack Stitzinger (11) 4:36 - Andre Galoostian(11) 9:57 - Josiah Himsl (9) 10:00 - Samuel Aina (9)
Looks like they have a fastest group of returning 3200 times in CA too
At the rate he is regressing at he would be lucky to run 1:58 at the state meet
True, I was really hoping we'd see a sub 1:50 this year, but Ligons and Ricks aren't looking too good and it definitely won't be Morales. Shame :/
It's mostly just gonna depend on the weather of both days and how hard they need to work on friday. The announcer usually says something along the lines of how "friday is harder than saturday sometimes" and that has really held true as of recently. It literally takes a 1:52 to qualify to finals, THEN you need to come back and win. CIF runners are fast but asking them to come back the day after and run a 1:49 is a tough ask for anyone at this level.
I dunno. The 800 has just been weird in the state as of recently. The most successful 800 runners historically at the state meet level have always been the ones with a ton of speed (Granville was a 46.1 runner), and there has just been a lack of those types recently - many of the people running 1:50 and 1:51 these days have been mile types moving down, which just isn't gonna result in fast times.
True, I was really hoping we'd see a sub 1:50 this year, but Ligons and Ricks aren't looking too good and it definitely won't be Morales. Shame :/
It's mostly just gonna depend on the weather of both days and how hard they need to work on friday. The announcer usually says something along the lines of how "friday is harder than saturday sometimes" and that has really held true as of recently. It literally takes a 1:52 to qualify to finals, THEN you need to come back and win. CIF runners are fast but asking them to come back the day after and run a 1:49 is a tough ask for anyone at this level.
I dunno. The 800 has just been weird in the state as of recently. The most successful 800 runners historically at the state meet level have always been the ones with a ton of speed (Granville was a 46.1 runner), and there has just been a lack of those types recently - many of the people running 1:50 and 1:51 these days have been mile types moving down, which just isn't gonna result in fast times.
All true. This year Andreas Dybdahl might win the 800 if he continues to compete there. He might, since he won the 1600m state title last year. Very few have won both the Mile/1600 and 880/800 titles, in separate years or the same year. One of the truly great performances in Cal state meet history, but still somewhat underrated, was Isaac Cortes winning both the 1600 and 800 in the same meet, after a tough road doubling through CIF-SS qualifiers. His 2 days times were: (older shoe tech).
Jun 3 1:53.41/4:10.98
Jun 4 1:50.75/4:04.62
At the state meet finals, there is not a lot of time between those 2 races. And the quality of the 1600m field was great, and required an all-out run.
1 Isaac Cortes Great Oak 4:04.62 2 Eduardo (Lalo) Herrera Madera South 4:05.63 3 Tyler Janes Martin Luther King 4:05.86 4 Jacob Ogden Dana Hills 4:06.00 5 Spencer Dodds Great Oak 4:06.45 6 Luis Grijalva Armijo 4:07.68 7 Camden Smith Highland (SS) 4:08.22 8 Allen Siegler University City 4:09.29
True, I was really hoping we'd see a sub 1:50 this year, but Ligons and Ricks aren't looking too good and it definitely won't be Morales. Shame :/
It's mostly just gonna depend on the weather of both days and how hard they need to work on friday. The announcer usually says something along the lines of how "friday is harder than saturday sometimes" and that has really held true as of recently. It literally takes a 1:52 to qualify to finals, THEN you need to come back and win. CIF runners are fast but asking them to come back the day after and run a 1:49 is a tough ask for anyone at this level.
I dunno. The 800 has just been weird in the state as of recently. The most successful 800 runners historically at the state meet level have always been the ones with a ton of speed (Granville was a 46.1 runner), and there has just been a lack of those types recently - many of the people running 1:50 and 1:51 these days have been mile types moving down, which just isn't gonna result in fast times.
> It literally takes a 1:52 to qualify to finals, THEN you need to come back and win. CIF runners are fast but asking them to come back the day after and run a 1:49 is a tough ask for anyone at this level.
True, although I'd say it takes more of a minimum 1:53-1:54 to make the final.
> I dunno. The 800 has just been weird in the state as of recently. The most successful 800 runners historically at the state meet level have always been the ones with a ton of speed
This is also very true. Both 800M winners in the past two years have been 400/800 runners. The winner of the CIF 800 championship last year was a 47.8 runner.
> many of the people running 1:50 and 1:51 these days have been mile types moving down, which just isn't gonna result in fast times.
I don't think so, like I said before there's plenty of 400/800 guys winning the state championship but even they struggle to break 1:50. Ricks and Ligons were both 400/800 runners and I was hoping at least Ligons might've had a chance but he's been getting a second slower each week.
I think it's partially because of the stupid way California handles the 800. They treat it like it's a long-distance race, hence the waterfall and mass amounts of milers moving down because that's what they're used to. It's funny how the last time someone broke 1:50 at the state meet was in 2011 when they ran it in lanes.
It's mostly just gonna depend on the weather of both days and how hard they need to work on friday. The announcer usually says something along the lines of how "friday is harder than saturday sometimes" and that has really held true as of recently. It literally takes a 1:52 to qualify to finals, THEN you need to come back and win. CIF runners are fast but asking them to come back the day after and run a 1:49 is a tough ask for anyone at this level.
I dunno. The 800 has just been weird in the state as of recently. The most successful 800 runners historically at the state meet level have always been the ones with a ton of speed (Granville was a 46.1 runner), and there has just been a lack of those types recently - many of the people running 1:50 and 1:51 these days have been mile types moving down, which just isn't gonna result in fast times.
> It literally takes a 1:52 to qualify to finals, THEN you need to come back and win. CIF runners are fast but asking them to come back the day after and run a 1:49 is a tough ask for anyone at this level.
True, although I'd say it takes more of a minimum 1:53-1:54 to make the final.
> I dunno. The 800 has just been weird in the state as of recently. The most successful 800 runners historically at the state meet level have always been the ones with a ton of speed
This is also very true. Both 800M winners in the past two years have been 400/800 runners. The winner of the CIF 800 championship last year was a 47.8 runner.
> many of the people running 1:50 and 1:51 these days have been mile types moving down, which just isn't gonna result in fast times.
I don't think so, like I said before there's plenty of 400/800 guys winning the state championship but even they struggle to break 1:50. Ricks and Ligons were both 400/800 runners and I was hoping at least Ligons might've had a chance but he's been getting a second slower each week.
I think it's partially because of the stupid way California handles the 800. They treat it like it's a long-distance race, hence the waterfall and mass amounts of milers moving down because that's what they're used to. It's funny how the last time someone broke 1:50 at the state meet was in 2011 when they ran it in lanes.
>I don't think so, like I said before there's plenty of 400/800 guys winning the state championship but even they struggle to break 1:50. Ricks and Ligons were both 400/800 runners and I was hoping at least Ligons might've had a chance but he's been getting a second slower each week.
Fair enough. Last 3 runners to win state championships have all been 400/800 runners, and none of them have broken 1:50. Kai Wingo didn't even break 1:51. Ligons has his league final tomorrow so I guess we will see how he does.
>I think it's partially because of the stupid way California handles the 800. They treat it like it's a long-distance race, hence the waterfall and mass amounts of milers moving down because that's what they're used to. It's funny how the last time someone broke 1:50 at the state meet was in 2011 when they ran it in lanes.
Oh yes, 100% agreed. It's really stupid. There was some thread a week ago or so on here about this too. I guess it is a byproduct of the state's distance running culture (probably also why we have the 4x800 before the 4x200), but it's really stupid.
Not sure why I didn't realize this, but the Sahlmans in 2022 were the first people in the state to break 1:50 since 2011.
It's mostly just gonna depend on the weather of both days and how hard they need to work on friday. The announcer usually says something along the lines of how "friday is harder than saturday sometimes" and that has really held true as of recently. It literally takes a 1:52 to qualify to finals, THEN you need to come back and win. CIF runners are fast but asking them to come back the day after and run a 1:49 is a tough ask for anyone at this level.
I dunno. The 800 has just been weird in the state as of recently. The most successful 800 runners historically at the state meet level have always been the ones with a ton of speed (Granville was a 46.1 runner), and there has just been a lack of those types recently - many of the people running 1:50 and 1:51 these days have been mile types moving down, which just isn't gonna result in fast times.
All true. This year Andreas Dybdahl might win the 800 if he continues to compete there. He might, since he won the 1600m state title last year. Very few have won both the Mile/1600 and 880/800 titles, in separate years or the same year. One of the truly great performances in Cal state meet history, but still somewhat underrated, was Isaac Cortes winning both the 1600 and 800 in the same meet, after a tough road doubling through CIF-SS qualifiers. His 2 days times were: (older shoe tech).
Jun 3 1:53.41/4:10.98
Jun 4 1:50.75/4:04.62
At the state meet finals, there is not a lot of time between those 2 races. And the quality of the 1600m field was great, and required an all-out run.
1 Isaac Cortes Great Oak 4:04.62 2 Eduardo (Lalo) Herrera Madera South 4:05.63 3 Tyler Janes Martin Luther King 4:05.86 4 Jacob Ogden Dana Hills 4:06.00 5 Spencer Dodds Great Oak 4:06.45 6 Luis Grijalva Armijo 4:07.68 7 Camden Smith Highland (SS) 4:08.22 8 Allen Siegler University City 4:09.29
What's also impressive is that he ran those times in 100 degree weather. The state meet that year was stupidly hot for some reason. Kind of insane that it ended up with one of the fastest races, if not the fastest race in state meet history because the last time the meet was that warm (2011??), the 1600 final was so tactical that the winning time was a 4:21.
Also, Cortes ran a 56 second last lap or something insane in the 1600.
Wonder when we will see the next 400/800 double at the state meet, if ever. Xai Ricks probably could have pulled it off if he didn't get injured.
Ligons has his league final tomorrow so I guess we will see how he does.
He ran 1:56.87, slower than his preliminary time but to be fair it's his league championship so all that really matters is winning, we'll see the real deal at the SS divisonals and masters next month