Monkey Business with CIM Clocks = Cheater Central

As being one of the persons who has missed it by a couple of seconds in the past I would like to say, just let it go. Move on with your life.

CIM Starting line is very cramped, and very deep, even for the elites. There are plenty of other elite bibs 4+ seconds back from the official gun start. You're cherry picking those that don't...

Also, her Strava for the race has it at 2:37:00, and in the video, you can clearly see she stops her watch right at the line (not early)… So, unless this was all some elaborate scheme where she knew she was going to run exactly 2:37:04, so she strategically also started her watch 4 seconds after crossing the starting line, then I think that's more evidence that this is legitimate.

You've never run a race where they first posted gun time results, then later added chip times?

Lots of elite women took a few seconds to cross the line. Sofie Schunk, 12th place finisher in 2:36:22, took 11 seconds. I personally ran CIM in just under 2:37 last year and it took me 17 seconds to cross the line. That put me in a good place for a relaxed start where I wasn't passing too many people and wasn't getting run over. I'm sure some of the women had the same idea, and didn't want to get out too fast or get trampled by the 580 men who ran the first 5k in sub-2:37 pace. Women's OTQ qualifying is by chip time, no appeal necessary.

Also, check out the video of Caroline Williams hobbling across the finish line last year in a gun time 2:37:01... but with a chip time four seconds faster. I also had a teammate finish in 2:18:00 gun time at Berlin this year. It happens all the time.

runnersworld.com

Runner Ekes Out Olympic Marathon Trials Qualifier With Dramatic Finish at CIM

Caroline Williams’s legs buckled as she crossed the finish line. Chip timing saved the day.

Link:www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a...

Nothing to see here.

(1) Chip Time is how race results from CIM are shown publicly (on Athlinks) - although gun time is also shown;

(2) USATF requires Gun Time for Men's OTQs (with Chip Time being allowed if the person was extremely close to gun time);

(3) USATF allows Women to use Chip Time.

I didn't realize this. Why is gun time required for men and not women? Personally I think chip time makes the most sense for both. I get that gun time is important for placing, but not time, especially when time is as important as it is here.

Maybe because women are at a disadvantage to men on the starting line. Elite Men shooting for 2:18 and Elite Women shooting for 2:37 will take off at different speeds. It would be rude for a 2:37 to line up in FRONT of a 2:18. Maybe that be it Batman.

OP the kinda person to also post a thread on how these bubble athletes have 0% chance of qualifying or medaling.

Yep. Can't use chip time for men, as it would expose the false narrative that men are faster than women.

Thanks for backing me up! Yes, that’s exactly what happened, I was in seeded (not elite) so started 10 seconds back and they verify chip time after the fact.

The women's long distance committee favors increasing participation. The men's long distance committee favors "increasing excellence". Or something akin to that.

Its basically 2 different philosophies on getting the US to the top - wide vs deep. Its much harder for men to qualify for the olympic marathon trials and sometimes for some of the track events as well and this is just a small part of it.

That still doesn't make sense. How is gun time more excellent than chip time outside of placing? To qualify, your place does not matter, only your time.

I expanded my post. The women's long distance committee favors having more athletes in the field; the men's athletes closer to the standard. Over time, more women qualifying means more women will stay in the sport or take up the sport, with enough people running distance, we find generational talents.

The men's ldc favors athletes closer to the standard. With athletes needing to get themselves closer to olympic competitor shape, they believe we will find athletes who can be contenders for placing well by raising the floor, or min acceptable standard, sort of if the athletes behind you are knocking on your door, you're going to run faster. They see it as athletes at the trials are really f'ing good athletes and not just runners who were dedicated.

I don't necessarily know that either committee is entirely right or wrong, but yes, there are differences in what is expected for qualification for men and women and its not just based on the difference between expected time on a descending order list.

To clarify further, excellent is being used in a literal sense, and as paraphrasing - a faster time is more "excellent" than a slower one in an absolute sense.

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bruh, did she just break up with you? Your first registered post and it’s this?

get a f’n life.

The actual reason is that the winner needs to be first across the line. You can't have an elite male end up winning after the winner breaks the tape because he started 10 seconds back or something.

Check out a photo of the starting line. A 2:18 man will be on it or very close to it; a 2:37 woman will be behind it, and sometimes well behind (here, enough behind it that she can miss the Olympic trials because of it). In that scenario, a gun time for a man and a chip time for a woman makes perfect sense.

Lol who cares. Did the OP miss the cutoff by two seconds and is quite bitter about it? It's also not like anyone dipping right under the standard is going to cause any trouble at the Trials race. Let people have their achievements (or near achievements).

If that were the reasoning then it would be the same for women. A woman breaks the tape and doesn’t win and gets out chipped.