Discus. This is absolutely insane.
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1. This never happens
2. This rarely happens
3. There are already 100 threads about the other 100 times it happened recently
4. You're a bad person for noticing or caring
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She's been on hormones for the last three years and has been waiting to be cleared. The whole team is in support of her too. Fox News scumbags writing some hate p*rn about this regular college student is ludicrous.
You want a real read at what the athletes think then read this
Especially this quote here
"The most scrutinized regulation is the one that states trans women cannot join any collegiate women’s swim team unless a blood test indicates their testosterone level in serum is below 10 nmol/L.
This is based on guidelines released by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) in 2015. In 2021, the IOC released revised guidelines that eliminated testosterone thresholds and gave the governing body of each sport freedom to create their own regulations.
“At the time the 10 nanomoles per liter was set because we thought that was the lower level for men. We know now that they go down to seven and women can be higher as well. Agreeing on another number is almost impossible and possibly irrelevant. You can debate that endlessly,” Dr. Richard Budgett, the IOC’s medical and science director, said in an interview with The Guardian.
“I think the threat to women’s sport has probably been overstated,” he continued, and stressed that governing bodies should allow as many women as possible to compete and acknowledge “trans women are women.”"If the top IOC officials can admit that this fear is overblown and there isn't a great way to define testosterone limits for this stuff then it should be taken at face value from the top people in sport.
People hate trans women in the spotlight even if they've done all the needed things to compete at this level which the state and the sport demanded they do. For three years she competed in the men's division following these rules and now according to the rules she can compete with women. If that isn't fair and following the rules, I don't know what is.
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It's unfair because males have massive advantages over women in sport. This is shaping up to be Lia Thomas part 2.
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Just like the Liberal Media Machine (biased) and school shootings. Now you understand brah? Both rare. Both suck(obviously one over the other.) Both are exploited by Donkeys and Elephants.
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Read the damn article instead of hate downvoting, you got IOC officials saying this really isn't a big issue but you listen to some news channel pundit talk about it instead. Go out into the real world and actually meet people who are different from you.
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In before lib answers: wrote:
1. This never happens
2. This rarely happens
3. There are already 100 threads about the other 100 times it happened recently
4. You're a bad person for noticing or caring
I am so happy for this woman. Partly because she is being herself, and it is unfortunate that people like you are wanting her to apologize for who she is. Well I applaud this young lady. She is a shero, an inspiration and we should all have so much courage as she does. You clearly don’t.
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The liberals will be here in a moment to tell you:
1. This never happens
2. It rarely happens
3. The fact that you’re posting this means you have a problem
4. Why are you a bigot?
5. Why are you obsessed with trans people when there are poor people in the world?
6. There is a difference between the sexes, but gender is entirely a social construct. Therefore…something or other.5812 -
Slumpmaster wrote:
The liberals will be here in a moment to tell you:
1. This never happens
2. It rarely happens
3. The fact that you’re posting this means you have a problem
4. Why are you a bigot?
5. Why are you obsessed with trans people when there are poor people in the world?
6. There is a difference between the sexes, but gender is entirely a social construct. Therefore…something or other.Oddly enough the Conservatives are busy pleasuring themselves to her photo.
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The NCAA uses the FINA policies that require a transgender athlete to have started transitioning before age 12 so this story doesn’t make sense.
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"She/they" still competes on the men's team but set the women's record.
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wokeness run amok wrote:
"She/they" still competes on the men's team but set the women's record.
Huh? It’s an imaginary record?
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FINA wrote:
The NCAA uses the FINA policies that require a transgender athlete to have started transitioning before age 12 so this story doesn’t make sense.
When FINA/World Aquatics announced the tightened-up rules you refer to in June 2022, the new rules for events that FINA/WA has jurisdiction over went into effect right away. Similarly, when World Athletics announced its tighter rules in March of this year, they went effect the next week.
But the new policy that the NCAA announced in January 2022 is one that phases in new and tighter rules and compliance with individual sports governing bodies' regulations in a gradual way over the next couple of years. Full implementation isn't scheduled to occur until 2024-25.
Maybe it's because I'm bleary-eyed at the moment, but the NCAA policy that's currently in force is unclear to me. It also seems to leave a bit of wiggle room...
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Why are amateur athletes divided by gender? Shouldn’t they be separated by their sex just like professional athletes are?
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RunRagged wrote:
FINA wrote:
The NCAA uses the FINA policies that require a transgender athlete to have started transitioning before age 12 so this story doesn’t make sense.
When FINA/World Aquatics announced the tightened-up rules you refer to in June 2022, the new rules for events that FINA/WA has jurisdiction over went into effect right away. Similarly, when World Athletics announced its tighter rules in March of this year, they went effect the next week.
But the new policy that the NCAA announced in January 2022 is one that phases in new and tighter rules and compliance with individual sports governing bodies' regulations in a gradual way over the next couple of years. Full implementation isn't scheduled to occur until 2024-25.
Maybe it's because I'm bleary-eyed at the moment, but the NCAA policy that's currently in force is unclear to me. It also seems to leave a bit of wiggle room...
I did see something about a phasing in process but it was far from clear. It’s sh*tty journalism for there to be no articles addressing why this athlete is eligible.
For what it’s worth, this one is not nearly as competitive as Thomas.
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She's been on hormones for the last three years and has been waiting to be cleared. The whole team is in support of her too. Fox News scumbags writing some hate p*rn about this regular college student is ludicrous.
You want a real read at what the athletes think then read this
Especially this quote here
"The most scrutinized regulation is the one that states trans women cannot join any collegiate women’s swim team unless a blood test indicates their testosterone level in serum is below 10 nmol/L.
This is based on guidelines released by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) in 2015. In 2021, the IOC released revised guidelines that eliminated testosterone thresholds and gave the governing body of each sport freedom to create their own regulations.
“At the time the 10 nanomoles per liter was set because we thought that was the lower level for men. We know now that they go down to seven and women can be higher as well. Agreeing on another number is almost impossible and possibly irrelevant. You can debate that endlessly,” Dr. Richard Budgett, the IOC’s medical and science director, said in an interview with The Guardian.
“I think the threat to women’s sport has probably been overstated,” he continued, and stressed that governing bodies should allow as many women as possible to compete and acknowledge “trans women are women.”"If the top IOC officials can admit that this fear is overblown and there isn't a great way to define testosterone limits for this stuff then it should be taken at face value from the top people in sport.
People hate trans women in the spotlight even if they've done all the needed things to compete at this level which the state and the sport demanded they do. For three years she competed in the men's division following these rules and now according to the rules she can compete with women. If that isn't fair and following the rules, I don't know what is.
People are downvoting rather than engaging with the content of your post because most people who are at all informed about the contested issue of male inclusion in female sports believe that when the IOC came up with its current guidelines in 2021, it dropped the ball and threw up its hands in a most cowardly fashion in order to pander to the powerful, noisy activists and male supremacists who are demanding that males be allowed to use gender identity claims to get into female sports (and locker rooms).
Those of us who are well informed also know that Richard Budgett was speaking out of his arse when he gave that interview to the Guardian. What Budgett said about the relative natural T levels of males and females is baloney. Mansplaining baloney at that.
Blodgett's claim that "the threat to women's sport has probably been overstated" is IMO baloney, too.
As for the part where "he stressed that governing bodies should... acknowledge that 'trans women are women' " - many people disagree that sports governing bodies ought to do this. Lots of people think that recognizing and validating the opposite-sex gender idenitites that some males claim to have goes well beyond the remit of sports governing bodies.
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It’ll never be fair for a male to compete against females
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