Burnt out from Double Thresholds

Could you slow the pace down if you're not immediately supervised

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This is only 7 miles of work total. Are these reps @ actual paces and not crazy fast?

Many athletes could do this as one session without splitting it as written.

are you doing double threshold 2x per week, or just the once? I don't think I see the point of it, but it doesn't seem like an insurmountable amount if you have properly worked your way up to that volume.

if you are a high schooler, i think most kids would be better off spending the extra 2 hours sleeping in the AM, and getting in one bigger workout in the PM

Every HS team that I know whose kids did double thresholds during the summer and fall are greatly underperforming.

Maybe it's time to ditch the fads and stick with what works.

Are you in college or high school or something else? 7 miles of quality is a lot of work for a high schooler. I know people will say “oh there are guys doing 8+ miles of quality” as high schoolers but I don’t agree that is the way for longevity. Also where are you in your season at this point? What’s left? Have you dropped volume overall? How have you raced to date?

Doing double-threshold without lactates is DUMB.

Or perhaps they should do them at the proper pace. HS kids has a strong tendency to race LT workouts.

OP i think we might have the same coach because i've been feeling this lately too...

and we have a big race this weekend against a team we barely beat in a tiebreaker last year!

Oh, OK. Sorry.

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Double thresholds only work if you have the talent to handle them. Most don’t so would be better spent doing one larger threshold. Like 10 x 3 minutes on 1 minute off

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See me at practice today. We need to discuss your future in this team.

This isn’t double threshold. Pace is most likely to fast and the volume is not enough. I know a high school that does double threshold and just won state. The paces and volume which they perform the work is not impressive but they are extremely consistent and but are aerobic monsters.

I am a coach who utilized Double Threshold work with my athletes this season. Wanted to give my 2 cents. We used a lactate monitor most workout days but it definitely gets cumbersome.

I found that Marathon pace for the first sessions were WAYYYY too fast. Lactate levels went up into the 4's or 5's mmol where my goal was get them closer to the 1.7-2.2 range. Tinman moderate pace ended up closer to their actual levels so that is what we went with since I couldn't test all my athletes after every repeat.

Afternoon sessions the goal was to get closer to 2.3-3.0 and occasionally getting as close to 3.5-4.0 then gave us a little more flexibility with workouts. For 400's, my athletes hovered between 5k-10k pace. It is crazy how quickly lactate is either accumulated or buffered by doing the 400's. A second or two too fast would bump the lactate up quickly.

Once racing started we would only touch up on double thresh work every other week.

Also. Your easy days need to be EASY! Easier than you think.

I do not coach Jakob.

Most people don't do these workouts at real threshold pace. They run nearly as fast as they can for the individual workout, and then do it again in the second workout, digging themselves into a hole. If you're a 16:00 5k runner you should be able to handle 4-5 x 1 mile @ 5:35 in the morning, and 12 x 400 @ 80 seconds in the afternoon. And then a couple easy days after with nothing but some light strides on the second day

Exactly this.