The very last of the bad apples.
The very last of the bad apples.
But doping doesn't work on Kenyans.
Just a typical day, unfortunately.
This thread should be subsumed into the one about a Kenyan doping crisis. Wait - there are so many!
Coevett goes home elated!
Armstronglivs wrote:
But doping doesn't work on Kenyans.
Are you trying to distort Renato's words again? You are Steve are specialists at doing that. That's why people don't like you. Defend your position without resorting to lies.
name on that woman
Coevett wrote:
The very last of the bad apples.
Purity isn’t pure?
What's nandro?
I have no idea!
This is getting ridiculous. Kenya needs to be banned until they have control over this. And she even tarnished the Komen brand.
authentic burritos in kenya wrote:
What's nandro?
It was in the beef!
Why do we have such and issue with doping in Running yet we accept watching all other sports perfectly fine with doping as an accepted reality of performance?
I don't care if an athlete is on PED because I believe the majority are and have been and I believe it is a level playing field.
Let them run. The times will not change. You are all not realizing the greatest performance impact in our sport has not been drugs, it has been the shoes... and once the big brands release the super spike they are working on, sprinting will be changed forever, just as distance running has been and now we accept this new reality (in distance running).
Dudewhat? wrote:
This is getting ridiculous. Kenya needs to be banned until they have control over this. And she even tarnished the Komen brand.
Banning Kenya in the midst of so many cheaters being caught there would only provide an incentive for countries to NOT catch cheaters. It would be better to mandate even greater testing of Kenyan athletes.
It's not a level playing field if some athletes have a significantly lower chance of getting caught than others do. And I think doping is more of an issue in running than in other sports because there is much more interest in times, records, etc. in running than in most other sports. Baseball is the one major sport that's somewhat similar to athletics in that regard. If you don't believe baseball doesn't have an issue with doping ask guys like Bonds, Clemens, McGuire, etc. why the aren't in the Hall of Fame.
jdnaldrolone wrote:
Why do we have such and issue with doping in Running yet we accept watching all other sports perfectly fine with doping as an accepted reality of performance?
I don't care if an athlete is on PED because I believe the majority are and have been and I believe it is a level playing field.
Let them run. The times will not change. You are all not realizing the greatest performance impact in our sport has not been drugs, it has been the shoes... and once the big brands release the super spike they are working on, sprinting will be changed forever, just as distance running has been and now we accept this new reality (in distance running).
Dude doping is literally cheating and that is why it is a problem. Doping is not natural, or normal. It is a desperate attempt to risk your life to drop a couple of seconds on your PRs and that should not be influenced in running. Times WILL change as multiple studies are showing how much doping can affect your times. You are sticking a needle into your arm whenever you dope, why should that be legal???
Primate1 wrote:
Banning Kenya in the midst of so many cheaters being caught there would only provide an incentive for countries to NOT catch cheaters. It would be better to mandate even greater testing of Kenyan athletes.
Yes and this is what is happening. Most of the athlete busts are outside of the 80th percentile and up of Kenyan runners. These athletes would not be tested out of competition if not for the ramped-up testing for both Kenyans and Road Runners that has happened the last few years. It's good to ban these cheaters for not only getting them from winning money over athletes who need it at these B or C-level events, but also acting as a deterrent for the higher-profile athletes who we really would like to ensure are clean and have much more to lose.
What would a ban accomplish?
-Ban innocent athletes who aren't doping
-Create a Wild West situation with no testing and incentives to create undetectable doping products while the ban lasts
-Set back and pause education/outreach efforts that might be much more effective long-term than mass punishment
The problem is that the doping is so endemic that it has destroyed the sport. A ban would at least signal recognition of the scope of the problem. Every major marathon and half marathon winner is doping. Every WR is chemically induced. It becomes impossible to take the sport seriously on the pro level bc everyone knows it is a sham.
IDK…. one’s got to think about the effect of these, ahem, back-alley interventions on the athletes long term health.
Perhaps a ban, draconian yes, would dull the incentive to take these risks and excite runner associations there into protecting their members better?
These busts make the news but what sort of adverse effects are produced by injecting these cocktails into consumers who have no idea at all what it is that’s going into their bodies?
The evidence has been such, for a very long time, to ban Kenya (not just individual athletes) from athletics (running).
BAN KENYA
