What has happened to her? She bombed at NCAAs and hasn't been the same since. She doesn't look like she is enjoying it. She doesn't look like she is fully engaged. Is she just getting tired of winning?
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What has happened to her? She bombed at NCAAs and hasn't been the same since. She doesn't look like she is enjoying it. She doesn't look like she is fully engaged. Is she just getting tired of winning?
She is back where she was this time last year.
Look at the time differences between Tuohy and other top runners at Nuttycombe and ACC.
I don't think Valby is any better but Tuohy got dropped by her. Tuohy hasn't had the same body language.
My guess is that it’s diminished confidence.
Going from literally never losing and usually winning by a lot to you know.. losing, can destroy your racing confidence. Confidence is pretty important in endurance sports where half of the battle is mental. If you are in the pain cave and you do not believe you can win or even worry that you can not win that can effect your performance greatly.
The hard thing about being an absolute child prodigy ever since you started the sport is that you don’t know what it’s like to lose, and that can make it harder to get up from it. It’s the same idea as that guy or girl in highschool that is very good at the regional/state level, podiums or wins at every meet, goes D1 and is suddenly below average on their team and is placing lower to back of the pack in races, then they quit a year or two in.
tuohy is the queen wrote:
I don't think Valby is any better but Tuohy got dropped by her. Tuohy hasn't had the same body language.
Why would you think Valby isn’t better? You’re emphasizing “body language” over race times and results?
CopperRunner wrote:
My guess is that it’s diminished confidence.
Going from literally never losing and usually winning by a lot to you know.. losing, can destroy your racing confidence. Confidence is pretty important in endurance sports where half of the battle is mental. If you are in the pain cave and you do not believe you can win or even worry that you can not win that can effect your performance greatly.
The hard thing about being an absolute child prodigy ever since you started the sport is that you don’t know what it’s like to lose, and that can make it harder to get up from it. It’s the same idea as that guy or girl in highschool that is very good at the regional/state level, podiums or wins at every meet, goes D1 and is suddenly below average on their team and is placing lower to back of the pack in races, then they quit a year or two in.
Confidence and maybe a medical issue?
Burnout and struggles in practice sound like low iron or something. They tried upping her mileage to 70 mpw last spring and she got slower. One can hope they had a Dr evaluate her for thyroid or other imbalances.
Whatever the issue was in the spring she showed no signs of it in acc championship.
Too many full-effort races last year, plus an increase in training volume, resulted in being overcooked last summer. But that 8:35 3000 in Feb (before her bump to 70mpw) points to great things to come. Patience, people, have some patience.
rbtrackfan wrote:
Whatever the issue was in the spring she showed no signs of it in acc championship.
It didn't look as easy for her as ACC indoors 3k or dmr, for example.
And didn't she run a 15:03 NCAA record and a 15:15 in the spring? Not too shabby. )
Actually she lost quite a bit her in high school at least until her sophomore year and in her first year in college. She even bounced back from a horrible Outdoor regional in 2021. Plus she won NXN in 2019 dealing with injury.
I think the issue at Nationals was physical. She was worn out and her coach let her try a crazy double in very hot conditions.
astro wrote:
Actually she lost quite a bit her in high school at least until her sophomore year and in her first year in college. She even bounced back from a horrible Outdoor regional in 2021. Plus she won NXN in 2019 dealing with injury.
I think the issue at Nationals was physical. She was worn out and her coach let her try a crazy double in very hot conditions.
She didn’t double!
astro wrote:
Actually she lost quite a bit her in high school at least until her sophomore year and in her first year in college. She even bounced back from a horrible Outdoor regional in 2021. Plus she won NXN in 2019 dealing with injury.
I think the issue at Nationals was physical. She was worn out and her coach let her try a crazy double in very hot conditions.
She got thoroughly destroyed in the millrose mile as a hs sophomore and seemed to recover from that.
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In fact, it was said by a runner who would lap her in a 5k and finish close to 200m ahead in a 1500.
H'm. She did so at Regionals. Ran the prelim and final at ncaa in 1500. Sure looked she intended to double. It was bad coaching not to recognize she was wearing down and being that ambitious. Put in the 5000m only and no problem.
She ran that shortly after she broke the 5000m high school record. Bit of an analogy.
astro wrote:
She ran that shortly after she broke the 5000m high school record. Bit of an analogy.
Right and before the 5000 was a hard solo 3000 as I recall
As good is Tuohy is, I think she would have been better with a different coach.
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