Latest Kenyan doper brings into question all the rest…

It is a very boring sport. Maybe nudity will be needed.

Maybe we can combine track races with some sort of “Hunger Games” element? 😂😂

All the rest? No. Houlihan tested positive. Should that bring into question all other Americans?

It brings the into question all other 3:54 and faster women 1500m runners.

They were already suspended in July

It shouldn't have taken this one to wake people up.

Of the top Kenyan marathoners between 2016-2021, FOUR have now been banned, including THREE of the top five.

1. Kipchoge

2. Titus BANNED

3. Evans Chebet

4. Cherono BANNED

5. Wilson Kipsang BANNED

6. Amos Kipruto

7. Stanley Biwott

8. Kipyego

9. Bernard Koech

10. Marcus Kipserem BANNED

Remember that until now, there was almost zero testing in road racing, and the head of the AIU expects Kenyan busts to rocket over the next couple of years.

This would probably prove too much for some of the 'natural born runners aerodynamic calves' fetishists here.

Anti doping doing their job?

why is the USA anti doping not catching the cheats as we believe 99% of the athletes are doping.

maybe independent drug testing at all NCAA meets would be a good start

Most sensible runners will microdose, do their pharmas. Remote chance of getting pinged. But if you get greedy and glow, or expose yourself too much to testing, the probability of getting caught increases. Or just go to 'training camps' and not even get tested at all.

I think that the people that deny any doping happening among top athletes who haven't been banned just don't understand how effective and nearly invisible microdosing is. Here's a short paper on it from a while back from USADA: https://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/R058.pdf

It's incredibly easy to get away with and gives substantial results. It would be insane for any top athlete, especially those at the very very top, not to do so.

I just find watching Titus running videos that his biomechanics are highly inefficient compared to say Eliud Kipchoge and Kenenisa Bekele. Titus isn't contacting the ground with his feet at the right moment for the right amount of time. As an RF King and looking at his momentum and motion I find glaring mismatches between the seamless-ness and ease of motion require of a 2:02 marathoner and his. I don't even need to know he has tested positive for drugs, just the strain in his momentum despite supershoes is a big give away. I have never seen a 2:02 on supershoes that looks that ugly running? yeah....

The same has been said about Bolt for many years, how he is supposedly the only man in the the top 100m times with a spotless record but everyone else had to cheat to get there. The top Marathon PB list doesn't look too pretty either and it gets worst the further down you go.

Drugs are rampant, adequate testing is not.

Fastest 100m times
1 - 9.58 - Bolt JAM
2 - 9.63 - Bolt JAM
3 - 9.69 - Bolt JAM
4 - 9.69 - Gay USA
5 - 9.69 - Blake* JAM (flagged A sample)
6 - 9.71 - Gay USA
7 - 9.72 - Bolt JAM
8 - 9.72 - Powell USA
9 - 9.74 - Powell USA
10 - 9.74 - Gatlin USA
11 - 9.75 - Blake* JAM (flagged A sample)
12 - 9.75 - Blake* JAM (flagged A sample)
13 - 9.75 - Gatlin USA
14 - 9.75 - Gatlin USA

Fastest Marathon PB's
2:00:35 - Kiptum KEN
2:01:09 - Kipchoge KEN
2:01:41 - Bekele ETH
2:02:48 - Legesse ETH
2:02:55 - Geremew ETH
2:02:57 - Kimetto* KEN (Agent suspended)
2:02:57 - Ekiru KEN
2:03:00 - Chebet KEN
2:03:00 - Geay TAN
2:03:02 - Mutai* KEN (Agent suspended)
2:03:04 - Cherono KEN
2:03:06 - Mosop KEN
2:03:13 - Mutai KEN
2:03:13 - Kipsang KEN

Maybe overfitting, but seems to me that those you listed as BANNED made their international breakthroughs - at least the rocket fuel level breakthroughs - at a pretty late age, while at least Kipchoge, Kipyego and Koech were already quite well known talents quite young

To add, Blake got banned for doping, he didn't "just" have a flagged A sample.

Coincidence? Some dopers get caught early, others late, most never, some have their breakthroughs late, some early (which may be related to the start of their doping). Look at the different examples of Jeptoo and Sumgong and Kiprop and R. Kipruto and A. Kiptum, to name a few well known ones.

See Coevett's post 3 below yours. It's the numbers of Kenyans in the last 18-24 months.

A total ban is past due. Maybe the top runners, if they're in fact clean, should live outside of Kenya and be subject to even more stringent testing?

Ethiopia is doping just as much. Why can't testing there improve, or is the doping more organized?

The agent suspended cross-outs are objectively stupid.

Really