Why hasn’t that team raced at all this season. They ran one home race and the rest of their group is just no where? Why do they even redshirt their guys? They could be so good instead they waste talent by training them all for what? Redshirt years?? They’ll get stomped come ncaas
Why hasn’t that team raced at all this season. They ran one home race and the rest of their group is just no where? Why do they even redshirt their guys? They could be so good instead they waste talent by training them all for what? Redshirt years?? They’ll get stomped come ncaas
Probably training and getting ready to take top 3 at west regionals and take top 15 at nationals. Mediocre day but will do it with guys that will go on to run 3:34/ 1:45 during the outdoor season…where has OSU been? Oh yeah they’re not coached by Jerry, so we can’t trash Dave smith…
They’re also probably enjoying the luxuries of a underwater treadmill, receiving better nutrition and recovery than a lot of pro athletes, and in term receiving connections to coach, be an agent or work in the athletics world.
You know…just how cooper Teare, Cole hocker, Charlie hunter all got stomped in cross yet make the most now out of the peers who stomped them in cross and were the big shots (with the exception of Grant fisher of course, who also got stomped)…Yared, Mario, Geordie and oli weren’t QUITE that good in cross.
They’re also probably enjoying the luxuries of a underwater treadmill, receiving better nutrition and recovery than a lot of pro athletes, and in term receiving connections to coach, be an agent or work in the athletics world.
In case this wasn’t an autocorrect error, this doesn’t make any sense—I assume you meant “in turn”.
You get better at racing by racing. Jerry doesn’t realize this. He forgot that all the pros he coached ran full cross, indoor, and outdoor seasons (including doubling).
Mini rant #2. Maybe this is similar to the track season where Jerry phoned it in due to the men having no realistic shot at the pac-12 title.
if that’s so. Imagine you were working hard and running tons of miles all summer to have your coach decide “I don’t think we are very good so I don’t think we are going to try to seriously complete this fall”.
This probably indicates that he is mailing it in once again for xc this year and holding his weapons back until next year when they are ready to challenge for a title or at least use some hard xc races as a basis for individual podium finishes indoor and out.
Anyone hear any secondhand explanations of why the women raced pre-nats but the men raced nowhere?
without the kolas points they could’ve picked up, men have to run extra well at PAC-12s and regionals to have a shot at NCAAs
You have to be in high school or something…every single athlete that signed here after Jerry joined knew what they were getting into and they were more than okay with it. Just because you aren’t doesn’t justify this entitled complaining. Stanford sucks this year. CU sucks compared to the golden days. Oregon will probably win or take second if they are gonna super peak for nationals, like they did last year. They will easily make nationals, they’ll take second/ third at regionals after CBU and Stanford., CU and every other team will push them in. The guys at Oregon aren’t training to be the best at cross country when they are pro’s. They are training to be making the us final for outdoors in their respective events and, same with NCAA’s champs. The average joe who isn’t at the high level won’t understand this. The women race 6k. The men race 10k. Two completely different events. Again, they could have gone anywhere else if they weren’t okay with training under the one of the best coaches in the NCAA, who understands periodization and overload 1000x better than some kid who rants on letsrun “oh no bad for the sport no no”.
You get better at racing by racing. Jerry doesn’t realize this. He forgot that all the pros he coached ran full cross, indoor, and outdoor seasons (including doubling).
Grant and Sean Mcgorty didn’t race indoor that often. Hell Stanford hardly raced indoor season for most of their guys those years unless if they were older. Coach milt never raced the full team in cross until Wisconsin as well…Oregon already raced everyone, some ran unattached (Andy Powell always did this for kolas purposes). Stop throwing out misinformation. We live in a different time now than even 5 years ago. Jerry has figured out the system and is probably training them under a modified program that his PROS train under.
Oregon has over 20 guys listed on the roster. There's bound to be at least 5 non-true freshman that have already used their redshirt year given how the past few years have shaken out. What is the harm of letting these 5+ guys race?
Anyone hear any secondhand explanations of why the women raced pre-nats but the men raced nowhere?
without the kolas points they could’ve picked up, men have to run extra well at PAC-12s and regionals to have a shot at NCAAs
I'm also wondering about whether Jerry intends for his men's team to earn a berth at nationals this season, and if so, how he plans to get them there.
CBU will almost certainly get one of the two auto-spots out of the West region. Oregon would have to beat all of Portland, Gonzaga, Stanford, Washington, and Boise State for the other spot. I understand that none of those teams were setting the world on fire at Nuttycombe this weekend, but they certainly have the potential to put the pieces together better at regionals and beat Oregon in ~4 weeks. Without running these bigger meets, UO is leaving a lot of potential kolas points on the table.
Maybe Jerry has already decided that he wants to redshirt a lot of his best talent, and that they therefore won't be pursuing a nationals berth this year. That sucks for the non-redshirts on the team this year, but I guess he wants to think about long-term success. Still, if he is trying to qualify the UO men to Charlottesville in November, hasn't he painted himself into a bit of a corner by forgoing big meets? Could they pick up enough points at Pac-12s to get a spot? Does anyone who understands the qualifying system better than I do see things differently?
After their home meet with a bunch of guys running unattached, I thought that they were going to cruise into NCAAs. Now though, I put them on the bubble. Nuttycombe wasn't a great showing for the west region, but any number of those teams could turn it around. Oregon is flying so far under the radar that I'm not sure that they left the ground. If they race well against Stanford at Pac12, they'll be safe. If Stanford has a good meet, it's over. Regionals is too late to pull that big of a rabbit out of the hat.
Stop the BS that Jerry is some great coach, he is only as good as the athletes he coaches. Nike has given him the best so that alone makes him look good, no magic, nothing special. And generally he uses his one size fits all training which beats people up, some survive, some don't. But, oil the end, good athletes run fast.
Don't go there with running a couple of XCX races will impact track negatively, it won't.
Stop the BS that Jerry is some great coach, he is only as good as the athletes he coaches. Nike has given him the best so that alone makes him look good, no magic, nothing special. And generally he uses his one size fits all training which beats people up, some survive, some don't. But, oil the end, good athletes run fast.
Don't go there with running a couple of XCX races will impact track negatively, it won't.
Yeah…and the only reason why Grant Fisher finished 50 seconds in front of me at nationals was cause he runs for Stanford and Stanford gets the best and carries them hard…not cause he’s a better athlete than me and milt was better at coaching than my coach.
Oregon will win the region and qualify for ncaa. When they get there they will finish between numbers 5-8. They have enough pieces. They will be fine. Just take a deep breath and relax. Birnbaum will be top 25. In 2-3 years oregon will win ncaa.
Oregon has over 20 guys listed on the roster. There's bound to be at least 5 non-true freshman that have already used their redshirt year given how the past few years have shaken out. What is the harm of letting these 5+ guys race?
This is what bugs me about Jerry’s approach also. Runners want to race. I get protecting your highly talented guys, kinda. One or two more races on the calendar seems like a very small rise in injury risk though. I feel bad for the guys who won’t be on the regional team who could score decent at a small meet and are getting the enjoyment of their college career stripped from them. Transferring schools is a way bigger deal than the portal has made it seem.
Anyone hear any secondhand explanations of why the women raced pre-nats but the men raced nowhere?
without the kolas points they could’ve picked up, men have to run extra well at PAC-12s and regionals to have a shot at NCAAs
You have to be in high school or something…every single athlete that signed here after Jerry joined knew what they were getting into and they were more than okay with it. Just because you aren’t doesn’t justify this entitled complaining. Stanford sucks this year. CU sucks compared to the golden days. Oregon will probably win or take second if they are gonna super peak for nationals, like they did last year. They will easily make nationals, they’ll take second/ third at regionals after CBU and Stanford., CU and every other team will push them in. The guys at Oregon aren’t training to be the best at cross country when they are pro’s. They are training to be making the us final for outdoors in their respective events and, same with NCAA’s champs. The average joe who isn’t at the high level won’t understand this. The women race 6k. The men race 10k. Two completely different events. Again, they could have gone anywhere else if they weren’t okay with training under the one of the best coaches in the NCAA, who understands periodization and overload 1000x better than some kid who rants on letsrun “oh no bad for the sport no no”.
That all might very well be true. But it IS still bad for the sport, won't you agree?