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So much for blockading Gaza. Still smuggled in 1000's of missiles.
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It's one thing to criticize Israel and it's another to sympathize with Hamas which is what some players here seem to be doing. The difference in the objective of the attacks here is that Hamas is trying to kill as many Jews and Israelis as possible, citizens or not be damned. IDF targets are weapon depots, Hamas operatives, and military sites. There really is no way of equivocating Hamas and the IDF. Hamas preaches rdical antisemitism rooted in Islmaic Jihadist terrorist ideals and is essentially a militia group in a fourth world territory. IDF is a modern army fighting with modern weapons and using modern military tactics. They don't target citizens indiscriminately like what the world saw today. Even now, idf is showing restraint. 500k dead would be nothing to the air force if that was what they wanted. Hamas wants that but they're too incompetent to achieve it so they resort to acts of cowardice like today and pure terrorism
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This thread will be a complete dumpster fire. Regardless, seeing so many lives being lost is depressing
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Hamas sucks. they suck for Palestinians and suck for Israel.
the current Israeli govt sucks. still not as bad as Hamas. They do deserve criticism though.
I am for Palestinians and Israelis who want peace. Imo the best hope for peace is to undermine right wing Israelis who support settlements and groups like Hamas. imo the best hope is for a two state solution based on the 1967 lines. I z
am not naive and recognize that won’t end the violence.
Israel left Gaza and that did not end the violet but few Israelis want Israel to reoccupy it.
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It's one thing to criticize Israel and it's another to sympathize with Hamas which is what some players here seem to be doing. The difference in the objective of the attacks here is that Hamas is trying to kill as many Jews and Israelis as possible, citizens or not be damned. IDF targets are weapon depots, Hamas operatives, and military sites. There really is no way of equivocating Hamas and the IDF. Hamas preaches rdical antisemitism rooted in Islmaic Jihadist terrorist ideals and is essentially a militia group in a fourth world territory. IDF is a modern army fighting with modern weapons and using modern military tactics. They don't target citizens indiscriminately like what the world saw today. Even now, idf is showing restraint. 500k dead would be nothing to the air force if that was what they wanted. Hamas wants that but they're too incompetent to achieve it so they resort to acts of cowardice like today and pure terrorism
Point one: Great Britain & U.S. are largely responsible for modern Israel. Yes or No?
Point two: Great Britain & U.S., for the most part created modern Israel due to advocacy from some in G.B. for Israel based on Zionism.
Point three: Arabs living in SW Asia had zero to do with actions or inactions by some European powers during WW2.
Point four: U.S. gives billions of dollars annually to Israeli government.
Point five: Israel was established as an international cooperative. Israelis are not supposed to be on West Bank.
All five points are facts. Let's agree on important facts then we can discuss if one group are freedom fighters or terrorists. After we agree on five points then we can discuss Israel as a racist Apartheid state.
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Sufjan Stevens new album? 8/10, one of his best.
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1. Not a fan of ethno-religious states, Jewish or Arab (or Christian or anything else).
2. If I were a secular Israeli, I'd be really pissed that the biggest agitators, the ultra orthodox, do zero of the fighting.
3. I feel for the Palestinians.
4. I don't know. Whatever.
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Point one: I'd say the holocaust and the exodus of jews from the arab regions is wayyyyyyy more responsible for what the modern Israel has become politically, militarily, ethnically, and culturally. I doubt you'd understand - educate yourself:
Point two: No, they didn't create the country, they have supported it for years but this is hugely undermining what the Jews have built since the 1800s. The Palestinians have contributed NOTHING TO THE WORLD BESIDES TERRORISM.
Point 3: i don't really understand this point
point four: Yes, we support democracies that are under terrorist siege. HOw much did we give to Ukraine?
Poiint five: This attack is independent of the West bank. We can have that conversation later. This is about Hamas.
But you are a self admitted Hamas sympathizer, and Hamas is no better than ISIS.
The men who have been taken hostage are likely being beaten while the women are being raped. There are multiple videos being circulated on telegram showing this. Thees terrorists are posting Facebook pictures of the different women and discussing which they'd like to rape first - and the press is celebrating the attack today.
Remeber this all happened on a holy day for the Jewish people.
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Sufjan Stevens new album? 8/10, one of his best.
And his brother was a fast marathoner.
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Some pulled the yamulkes down over their eyes because Hamas got past IDF on land, water and in the air.
And thousands have come through Biden’s open border so be vigilant.
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Gaza is one of the mostly densely populated areas on the planet.
Lets not pretend that every time the Israelis bomb buildings there civilians aren't knowingly killed and wounded.As long as Israel continues its apartheid treatment of Palestinians and settlers occupy their land illegally this will never end.
Of course the US will never sanction Israeli bad behavior, so really what choices are available for the Palestinians?
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this never happens in agnostic areas. only in hyper religious ones.
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That's why the World needs Trump in power. End this nonsense
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Point one: I'd say the holocaust and the exodus of jews from the arab regions is wayyyyyyy more responsible for what the modern Israel has become politically, militarily, ethnically, and culturally. I doubt you'd understand - educate yourself:Point two: No, they didn't create the country, they have supported it for years but this is hugely undermining what the Jews have built since the 1800s. The Palestinians have contributed NOTHING TO THE WORLD BESIDES TERRORISM.
Point 3: i don't really understand this point
point four: Yes, we support democracies that are under terrorist siege. HOw much did we give to Ukraine?
Poiint five: This attack is independent of the West bank. We can have that conversation later. This is about Hamas.But you are a self admitted Hamas sympathizer, and Hamas is no better than ISIS.
The men who have been taken hostage are likely being beaten while the women are being raped. There are multiple videos being circulated on telegram showing this. Thees terrorists are posting Facebook pictures of the different women and discussing which they'd like to rape first - and the press is celebrating the attack today.
Remeber this all happened on a holy day for the Jewish people.
Hamas and it's supporters are evil
Fighting continues. You do not want to look for points of agreement.
Point #3 is so clear. You started your response with a word I avoided using, Holocaust. Is there a training program in which you are trained to start all conversations with world, Holocaust?
You will not admit Arabs had nothing to do with WW2 European Holocaust. If you cannot clearly say Arabs are and were 100% innocent of European war crimes, you want Arabs to fight you.
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Wow, did Izzy drop the ball on this one. Thought their intelligence service was the best eve r.
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Israel definitely had prior knowledge of the attack and let it happen.
If you don't believe this, you are naive.
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