There is nothing more tiresome and unenlightening as insinuation and innuendo about drug use based on nothing more than somebody running a fast time, even a historically fast time. If that’s all you got to share, keep it to yourself.
It is the nature of the sport and any clean track or road athlete should expect it and wear the accusations as a traditional badge of honor.
There is nothing more tiresome and unenlightening as insinuation and innuendo about drug use based on nothing more than somebody running a fast time, even a historically fast time. If that’s all you got to share, keep it to yourself.
The absurd evolution of distance running performances is killing the sport for me. Sure, shoes gave a boost. But even if you take shoes out of the equation, distance running is at least 20-30 years missing the big bang that hit cycling in the late 1990s and early 2000s.
Its not even like the sport is getting more professional. There may be the rare occasion of training groups like the NN running team with a certain amount of infrastructure and more thorough planning in nutrition and training, but in its fundamentals its the same same thing as ever. Hard working young athletes from Africa getting shipped to Europe by the same managers. Lots of them with questionable records and a bad reputation.
Hearing a semi-public rant by the former head coach of a pretty big european nation on the doping situation in Africa (basically saying that its more than widespread...) finally killed it for me. The sport is killing itself because no one wants and can relate to these performances. Especially not us amateur runners, because there is a variable more in the equation than just commitment and hard work, which is killing the dreams you have during a scenic morning run in the woods.
Same as her mother. Acorn doesn't fall far from the tree. Liz got into several public spats with other athletes like Lisa Martin-Ondieki and continues throw shade at her daughter's rivals to this day.
Lisa Martin-Ondieki and Yobes Ondieki were major dopers in their day.
Widely discussed by distance runners in the Phoenix area (where they both lived) during their time of elite racing. They were a very odd… couple. Thankfully, for Kenny Martin (stand up guy and good clean runner) he got out of that relationship.
El Keniano, the history of your posts on this board says everything about you. That is… you are a doping apologist for primarily Kenyan runners (which Yobes is). I don’t take anything seriously that you post because it’s propaganda.
It would not surprise me if you are paid to post your Kenyan biased drivel.
The extent to which Kenya, and now obviously Ethiopia, have been using PED’s has undermined distance running to the point where people don’t follow or watch.
The sport I love (distance running) is a joke because of the doped up times from East African runners (predominantly Kenyan), their enablers (foreign coaches, agents, Kenyan sport officials, drug suppliers, doctors).
More recently, due to the pressure from World Athletics (banning Kenyan athletes from future competition as an entire country ban), the compromise - - AIU has set up testing in Kenya and Kenyan distance runners are getting caught. Most likely far more continue to slip through. Why then, when a Kenyan athlete does get popped, doesn’t the enablers go down as well? It is because of the normalized corruption within Kenya and mafia style industry that is dropping in Kenya. If someone were to speak-up their life expectancy and the lives of their family members would be put in jeopardy.
And you talk about acorns…
I remember lisa,years ago,complaining about chinese dopers,and women with facial hair in long distance,but maybe she protesteth too much.Who knows what she was on?
If YOU want to clean up the doping problem since you, Jeff ( along with Astro, Armstronglivs, Trollism, etc.) claim that everyone is doping, then put your money where your mouth is - pay for it out of your own pocket. That would mean testing of ALL athletes twice a day every day of the year - sounds expensive. Because the only thing I get out of all the complaining is that the system as it stands doesn't work. So pay for a more inclusive one.
I don't accuse those who haven't tested positive (regardless of the performance level) as I don't have access to the information that proves that anyone has been doping, so I have to wait/rely on the doping agencies to do their work (even if I think they get it wrong sometimes as no system is infallible) - I presume that you people do have access to this information?! Of course I do have suspicions that SOME people are doping, but I generally keep it to myself as anything else is unfair to innocent athletes. I certainly wouldn't want anyone accusing me without some evidence/proof, so why would I do that to others?
If YOU want to clean up the doping problem since you, Jeff ( along with Astro, Armstronglivs, Trollism, etc.) claim that everyone is doping, then put your money where your mouth is - pay for it out of your own pocket. That would mean testing of ALL athletes twice a day every day of the year - sounds expensive. Because the only thing I get out of all the complaining is that the system as it stands doesn't work. So pay for a more inclusive one.
I don't accuse those who haven't tested positive (regardless of the performance level) as I don't have access to the information that proves that anyone has been doping, so I have to wait/rely on the doping agencies to do their work (even if I think they get it wrong sometimes as no system is infallible) - I presume that you people do have access to this information?! Of course I do have suspicions that SOME people are doping, but I generally keep it to myself as anything else is unfair to innocent athletes. I certainly wouldn't want anyone accusing me without some evidence/proof, so why would I do that to others?
So we should pay to fix a problem caused by others? That isn't what I would call persuasive. Personally, I doubt it can be fixed now - doping is too far ahead in the game. Testing catches very few.
If YOU want to clean up the doping problem since you, Jeff ( along with Astro, Armstronglivs, Trollism, etc.) claim that everyone is doping, then put your money where your mouth is - pay for it out of your own pocket. That would mean testing of ALL athletes twice a day every day of the year - sounds expensive. Because the only thing I get out of all the complaining is that the system as it stands doesn't work. So pay for a more inclusive one.
I don't accuse those who haven't tested positive (regardless of the performance level) as I don't have access to the information that proves that anyone has been doping, so I have to wait/rely on the doping agencies to do their work (even if I think they get it wrong sometimes as no system is infallible) - I presume that you people do have access to this information?! Of course I do have suspicions that SOME people are doping, but I generally keep it to myself as anything else is unfair to innocent athletes. I certainly wouldn't want anyone accusing me without some evidence/proof, so why would I do that to others?
Literally everyone at top level in most sports are doping.Thats not complaining.Thats fact.Sport wouldnt be sport without drugs.