Amanal Petros, 2:04:58, has achieved what Julien Wanders should have achieved

Petros - Paris 2024, top 10 marathon finish predicted.

Petros, 1:81/61kg (5.11/134). Tall rangy athlete, with limited foot speed (he's no sub 4 minute miler, rather a 3:45/4:03 warrior).

His long run status in ITEN is legendary, especially the long , uphill 30km run. Monster endurance.

Much less talented than his friend, Wanders, but the latter, unfortunately, had a horrible 2023 track campaign, circa 3:49/8:36! What happened Julien...?

Petros is a machine, what an incredible runner.

Did Sondre run Berlin? I can't see him in the results.

A Swiss Runner aged 41 ran 2:05.10 so Wanders should shoot for that, with his 59:13 for Half Marathon Time he should get it, but he has not run well the last couple of years, so he might not

Irrelevant comparison. Petros is from Ethiopia.

"A Swiss runner", his name is Tadesse Abraham! Masters world record and national record. He trains with Petros (at least sometimes).

Wanders has no chance of running 2:05 the next long time. But if he strings together 3-4 good years, then maybe, but 2:05 is very fast so I don't think he will.

This training group really is amazing. Julien needs to run a marathon and go for the Olympic standard. He could do it!

Amanal performed and delivered with the new shoes also.
Tadesse also had a new ON shoe prototype.

One of the secrets in training is to have a group very omogeneous.

In Berlin, from my group in Iten, followed by Willy Koskei Bitok, we had the following athletes:

Amanal Petros (9) 2:04:58 (German Record) (previous 2:06:27 in 2021=

Boniface Kimutai (10) 2:05:06 PB (before joining the group 2:11:08 in 2022)

Tadesse Abraham (11) 2:05:10 World Master Record and NR (he joined the group in the winter 2021/2022, improving from his old NR of 2:06:40 in 2016)

Josphat Boit (13) 2:05:42 PB (previously 2:06:34, always in the group)

Denis Chirchir (17) 2:08:22 (had a hamstring after 30 km and had to reduce the speed. his PB is 2:07:17 this year in Hannover behind Amanal)

Jonathan Maiyo (for a test of 30 km in 1 h 28'58") (coming back after 10 years, his PB is 2:04:56 in 2012, he's in the group from the beginning of last year when started again)

Enock Onchari (resuming training from 3 weeks only after 4 months of stop for tendon's problems. in Berlin because was a must inside his contract with Li Ning) who has 2:05:47 in Seville and 4 weeks later won Wuxi with 2:07:19 (and of course injured after this... a good contract is not only more money, but how it's possible to preserve the athlete !).

Personally, with very big groups including athletes with differences in their PB of 10 min, I don't think possible to coach in the right way : too many disturbs, and normally are the weakest creating problems because a coach can't give them the same attention given to a top runner.

Instead, in this way, can be possible to prepare athletes of same level using the same program (with only little individual variations) because the period of the competition is the same.

TLDR:

Train in groups with similar ability and don't have large groups.

Congrats on the success Renato. Will never happen and I think Eyestone is certainly a good coach, but if you throw Connor Mantz with your group, I have no doubt after adjustment he gets the 2:05-6 he should be capable of. Right now, he is training with 2:10-2:12 guys and while his shorter distance results seem to be good I'm wary of him putting it together in the marathon.

Next thing for Amanal must be to break the half marathon record. First German to run under 1h. He could easily do it?

Ghost, off topic but as someone who seems to have a relatively good grasp on the coaching landscape in Europe can you recommend any good elite level coaches?

I am a mid 20s (too old for NCAA) 13:30 5k and 3:40 1500m runner who is searching for a new coach to help (hopefully) guide me to some much faster times.

Why won't top Americans get into a Canova group? They should try. What they're doing is not working.

Absolutely, and the great advantage of Kenya/Ethiopia/Japan is that the vast majority train in large groups. This facilitates the task of attaining a high level.

Wazungu (white foreigners) who come from an individualistic culture will never attain those lofty heights on their own.We (Mzungu) are our own worst enemies by being individualistic in our outlooks.

With Petros runnung 2:04 no reason Mantz shouldnt be running 2:03

I recommend Tim Moriau in Belgium, coach of Hugo Hay (13:02) and many others.

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If you can't relocate there he'll probably send you online tips.

If you train under him, I think you can improve to 3:36/13:12, or better. Good luck.

You can find him on Instagram.

May we know your name and country? impressive credentials you have. You're knocking on the door of international elite.

Mantz is a monster, but I have slight concerns about his mechanics (foot placement) 😔 not sure if that would be a detriment to running 2:04:00.

Mantz would decimate Petros on the track. The German is relatively slow in turnover, all other things being equal.

Gjert?

He.s NOT German