And tell me WHY: Do you think El Guerrouj & Ngeny are clean or not? Do you think Jakob is clean or not?
Also how does this race stack up against the WR race?
I hate to say this but I do think it's the clean WR - but that's pure opinion.
Why do I believe performances 1 and 2 aren't clean? The era. I wrote a post on this a week or so ago about how much the 90's were in terms of an outlier decade for record breaking primarily in the 1500m (which clearly is applicable in the mile). From Bayi in 1974 through to Aouita (^^ and the last record of the 80's) the largest drop we saw in the 1500m record was 1.1 seconds when Cram broke 3.30 for the first time. And even that was an outlier as the record was only ever broken by tenths of a second on the 7 other occasions it occured. In total it went down 2.7 seconds across 17 years. In the 90's, Morceli and El G took 3.46 seconds off that last mark of the 80's across 7 years and it just can't be coincidence that the 90's was the most infamous era in endurance sports for doping - especially with respect to EPO. I loved watching El G run. I once sat next to Ngeny at Weltklasse and we both watched Hicham run under 3.27 - but history has shed some light on what almost certainly was happening back then.
Why do I think Jakob is clean? Because he is part of the smartest coaching setup in history (even more than Coe) and the technology at his disposal caters perfectly to all his strengths. Jakob can sit there and guarantee that Nguse will run at least 3.46 if he sticks to him because he knows what he can run and there is no guess work anymore. They know he can run a certain pace for a certain distance and barring an illness etc, he physiologically will have no problems handling it. And once they know that they request the most impactful tech in the history of the sport to cater exactly to their science and he goes out and executes it. It was so easy to predict what would happen today through 1200m split wise - the only guesswork was how much power he had left to get close to the record. Today it was pretty damn good - not quite good enough. I can't even imagine the confidence this provides to know that there is almost no way you can screw it up. If you know you need to run 56.0 for exactly two laps you can just stay right at the top of those yellow lights and you will run 1.52.0 for 800m (exactly like he did today to the tenth). My point is, I think that people will say "well how can they be so close to dopers times if they aren't doping" - well if those guys back in the 90's had access to the tech available now and had unlocked the science that Jakob uses (knowing his threshold with respect to speed v distance) the records would be considerably tougher. Probably 3.25.0 give or take a tenth in the 1500m and the mile would have been also about a second faster (insane to say this but I believe it). So if you believe that all things equal those records would be at those levels then it becomes highly likely that Jakob is just a super talent without the extra "stimulus" of the 90's.
This race was absolutely as good as 1999 and bigger picture even better because of the volume of guys under 3.50 (11!)
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can't help. but feel like the new shoe tech and some kind of supplement / "drug" cocktail out there has brought the level up so much.
Think about it, El G and Komen were literally doped to the gils some of the most genetically gifted athletes to ever walk the earth. Now we are surpassing them or equaling them almost every race. it doesn't seem legit.
I saw a really fast race today after a press conference that pretty much laid out what they wanted to happen and they held to their word. Very entertaining and to be honest, I dont give 2 corny turds what you people think/feel about clean vs dirty efforts. Until they are busted for violating, Im going to enjoy.
You guys are weird for watching the sport and always questioning the result. It was a great race today. Death penalty to cheaters!! Celebrate the competition until they are caught. Im not going to worry about it.
And tell me WHY: Do you think El Guerrouj & Ngeny are clean or not? Do you think Jakob is clean or not?
Also how does this race stack up against the WR race?
I hate to say this but I do think it's the clean WR - but that's pure opinion.
Why do I believe performances 1 and 2 aren't clean? The era. I wrote a post on this a week or so ago about how much the 90's were in terms of an outlier decade for record breaking primarily in the 1500m (which clearly is applicable in the mile). From Bayi in 1974 through to Aouita (^^ and the last record of the 80's) the largest drop we saw in the 1500m record was 1.1 seconds when Cram broke 3.30 for the first time. And even that was an outlier as the record was only ever broken by tenths of a second on the 7 other occasions it occured. In total it went down 2.7 seconds across 17 years. In the 90's, Morceli and El G took 3.46 seconds off that last mark of the 80's across 7 years and it just can't be coincidence that the 90's was the most infamous era in endurance sports for doping - especially with respect to EPO. I loved watching El G run. I once sat next to Ngeny at Weltklasse and we both watched Hicham run under 3.27 - but history has shed some light on what almost certainly was happening back then.
Why do I think Jakob is clean? Because he is part of the smartest coaching setup in history (even more than Coe) and the technology at his disposal caters perfectly to all his strengths. Jakob can sit there and guarantee that Nguse will run at least 3.46 if he sticks to him because he knows what he can run and there is no guess work anymore. They know he can run a certain pace for a certain distance and barring an illness etc, he physiologically will have no problems handling it. And once they know that they request the most impactful tech in the history of the sport to cater exactly to their science and he goes out and executes it. It was so easy to predict what would happen today through 1200m split wise - the only guesswork was how much power he had left to get close to the record. Today it was pretty damn good - not quite good enough. I can't even imagine the confidence this provides to know that there is almost no way you can screw it up. If you know you need to run 56.0 for exactly two laps you can just stay right at the top of those yellow lights and you will run 1.52.0 for 800m (exactly like he did today to the tenth). My point is, I think that people will say "well how can they be so close to dopers times if they aren't doping" - well if those guys back in the 90's had access to the tech available now and had unlocked the science that Jakob uses (knowing his threshold with respect to speed v distance) the records would be considerably tougher. Probably 3.25.0 give or take a tenth in the 1500m and the mile would have been also about a second faster (insane to say this but I believe it). So if you believe that all things equal those records would be at those levels then it becomes highly likely that Jakob is just a super talent without the extra "stimulus" of the 90's.
This race was absolutely as good as 1999 and bigger picture even better because of the volume of guys under 3.50 (11!)
Almost every other elite athlete had tenured coaches that were coaches.
Jakob’s dad had no connection to the sport and you think it’s the smartest coaching group.
Someone has to be clean, I think people put too little emphasis on talent. Sam Prakel on drugs wont beat Jakob
Elaborating, I think drugs are a shortcut to maximizing your talent, but can't push you beyond your limits. Drugs let you reach your max while staying fresh/injury free.