Hot take: wave lights don’t benefit Jakob

If they're behind him, he knows he's ahead of them - at all times.

He's benefitting from European pro cycling style doping programs. Do you think it's a coincidence that Farrah dominated at the same time that the Brits were dominating the tour de France. Now the scandanavian Vingegard is dominating at the same time as Ingerbrigsten.

It's more to do with their oil money and good investments in sports. Norway is like Saudi Arabia but with a good societal structure and a welfare state. You can be an athlete to your 30s and have no worries even if you fail at making money. You always have something to fall back into.

Compare Bekele’s 5k record with Cheptegei’s and then come back and tell us how wrong you are.

The lights make a massive difference.

Some posters will tell you U.S. has had some years of producing more barrels of oil than Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

1) All oil is not of equal quality. Eg. Much oil in Canada is a thick sludge.

2) Extraction costs: Oil near the Earth surface near sea level has significantly lower production costs than oil produced by platforms out to sea. Same for oil deep in the Earth. Eg. You can't get people to work at MCD in much of U.S. for less than $19. Oil extraction in U.S. is very expensive. That's why U.S. still buys N African and SW Asian oil with lower production costs.

Norwegian oil is mainly oil extracted out to sea. I am sure Norwegians want to get paid plenty to do that dangerous work.

I also agree with this. He knows what a certain pace feels like. He’s capable of looking at a clock every 28 seconds and knowing he’s still on pace to break the record. The lights play a minimal part in the records. If you told Jakob to go run a 1:55 800 without a watch he’d be within a second of it with zero feedback

Vingegarrd is pretty much doing everything in hi's power to sabotage his own teammate"s chances of winning a grand tour. Is this an example of the great societal structure you speak of?

The pacing lights are about getting the pacers to run a specific set pace instead of being wildly inconsistent most of the time. It is much easier to be on pacer duty and have an exact light with the pace to follow.

He is afraid of them. That's his new training secret. Runs ahead of pacing lights and is punished if they catch him.

They say pure hate wins races, but that's wrong. It's pure fear. Fight or flight. Flight runs faster obviously.

As a Norwegian I love to read posts like this -totally bs! Henrik Ingebrigtsen (mid twenties; European champion, and so on): Too poor to have his own flat, and had to live for free in his parents household…!

You do realize that Mo Farah was in an american team? The Oregon Project.

And yes, Vingegaard and Ingebrigtsen are secretly working together and being doped in an underground doping lab, previously used by the vikings who were also doping before going on conquest in the UK. Now its just EPO and not anabolics like back in the day. It's pretty much a Scandinavian government sponsored program with support from the big corporations. (I might be joking here).

He's probably on the same cocktails of drugs that theyre on.EPO and goodness knows what else.

Sounds more like east germany to me.

This message board is teaching me that Jakob conveniently peaked in 2019 at the age of 18 with a 3:30.17. Because of the super spikes and pacing lights make a “massive difference” that’s how he improved exactly three seconds in a 1500 from age 18 in 2019 to 22 in 2023. No way he is running faster now because of more maturity and more years of training.

They do make a difference but you still have to move your legs that fast. Everyone behind the leader in every race has, in effect, wave lights, someone to "rabbit" for them but still people slow.

I don't see anything wrong with the lights- they give no "shielding" or drafting benefit like a person in front of you.

Incredibly dumb post. Reads as if the poster has never run on the track, let alone in a paced race.
First, wavelights aren't "better" than perfect human pacers; the point is that they make perfect human pacing more likely.
How many DL races have you seen where the pacer goes out too quickly or two slowly? (Remember that even half a second over a lap makes a big difference.) This used to happen all the time in races targeting fast times, but it is very rare post-wavelight. Thus, a given attempt is much more likely to fizzle (very common in the 90s/00s/10s).
Second, once the human pacers are gone, knowing whether you are are of or behind a perfectly-paced light is obviously useful information.
Say want to break 15:00 in the 5k. Are you going to tell me that running the whole thing versus a robot programmed to 15:00 isn't easier than soloing it, even if you never go behind the pace???

So where’s the evidence?

The evidence is right before your eyes. Have you seen him race? Wow some of you are slow.

Henrik bought his first house in 2015, at 25 years old!